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 Post subject: Re: wierd critter thread
PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:14 pm 
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Here's yet another goofy take on the grazelopes vs the heat....

Insulation.

No, I'm seriously wondering about this. With them, it'd have to be fur....but this goes against conventional thinking so much.....

If the fur could somehow form a barrier between the hot 'outadoors' and it's insides, maybe it'd a story-twist to go with....

But that's exactly the oppisite of most earthside critters.

I'm thinking the torso of the critters could possibly be covered with a 'heat'barrier' fur, while their tail and walking limbs would be at least party bare' to act as radiaters.


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 Post subject: Re: wierd critter thread
PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:54 pm 
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Iowanic wrote:
Insulation.
... But that's exactly the opposite of most earthside critters
no, actually fur is used to keep animals cool too. Most desert animals have extra fur but they also have some large "radiator" section too (usually ears with no fur but various other parts can be used like tongues, noses, tails) which is often licked to get evaporative cooling. most desert rodents have fur on the soles of their feet (the same as arctic animals) to protect their feet from the heat (or cold) of the sand.


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It's human to think putting on a heavy coat in warm weather is a bad idea...but many desert living people wrap themsleves in robes and scarfs...

Maybe a working list of how to battle heat would be useful here...

Radiater surface(Tail, limbs, ears....thin is good here)
Insulation(Fur, mostly.....)
coolant(Water, to start with, anyway)
Being 'water-tight';(keep water loss to mininum....some sort of 'air-lock' for the mouth/ears/nose?)

A thought.....plants use fruit to atract animals to assist in spreading therr seed.....what if plants provide something the cools a critter, for the same purpose? Water would be the obvious treat....I'll have to think if I can come up with others...


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Iowanic wrote:
Being 'water-tight';(keep water loss to minimum....some sort of 'air-lock' for the mouth/ears/nose?)
This is shown in the unique design of a camel's nose... the dry hot air is drawn through a long series of tubes where the heat is absorbed and the hotter surface gives off moisture (as the air is drawn in). When the air is breathed out, the long tubes in the nose heat the air and the dry surface at the hot end absorbs the moisture again for later use re-hydrating the next inward breath. This is also the basic idea that John Hiat used in his book on "passive annual heat storage" (that is also the book title and also the source of the acronym PAHS) except the house "breathes in" during the summer and "breathes out" during the winter.


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Iowanic wrote:
A thought.....plants use fruit to attract animals to assist in spreading therr seed.....what if plants provide something the cools a critter, for the same purpose? Water would be the obvious treat....I'll have to think if I can come up with others...
... to provide housing. Part of my alien world is the concept that almost all solid material is living creatures (some microscopic and some communal like mushroom mycelium which can make some mushroom's underground body mass to cover many square miles and weigh millions of tons and yet be genetically one organism). Part of that concept is that the main character's species builds their homes by influencing how some mushroom-like life form grows to make large domes to live in. There is a tree in South America that gives off sap that the ants like and is hollow so the ants move in and live on and in the tree. The tree gains benefit because the ants kill and eat any other insect that might want to eat the tree.


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Camels are one of the most amazing animals on earth; they were one of the first critters I went to; on seeing how animals dealt with heat. :)


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Here's something that would add a little color.....

I got to thinking of grazelopes and their using long tails as heat-radiaters;

during the heat of day; they could lie in the grasses they feed off and mutally cool each other by 'fanning' with their tails.

It's weird(To say the least) because huddleing up is something we're used to seeing in cold weather, not hot.


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 Post subject: Re: wierd critter thread
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Can anyone see how a critter could produce either radio/waves and /or radar?

Critters have electric impulses in their nervous systems.....

Can it be taken further?


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Come on; surely there's at least one other person who's thought about such?

Think of the possibilites of creatures who used radio to cuommuncate....or otherwise examine and live in the world around them.


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A couple thoughts on radio-gifted critters:

I have got to think this would bless such creatures with a tremendous advantage; in regards to communicating over long distances.

Speaking from a evolution stand-point: would that be such a advantage that non-radio comms would be 'out-evoluved?'.

Can radio-using and non-radio using creatures live in the same world?


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Here's a few random thoughts regarding -radio-critters:

I figure to produce radio-waves powerful enough to be useful at a distance will require the critter to have a high-energy diet. Being a omnimore myself, I'm inclined to think this must mean a high-in-meat diet, but I can see it's possible for things to be otherwise.

A big 'fermentation-vat' stomach, like saurapod dinosaurs probably could do the trick as well as a very high or all meat diet.

One thing I wonder: with all these critters using radio for both sending and receiving; would it interfere with radio's of the colonists? And what would those planning on moving to Zeta think; if these radio transmissions were picking up by orbiting space-probes?

Also; will radio-tranmissions be colonists interfere with the native Zetan wildlife?

Lotta directions to go with this idea.


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Hmmm....radio-critters doesn't seem to produce much discussion.
Can't figure why.....

Working on some smybotic relations between plant-life and higher-critter forms....

I had a dream of flying creatures using leafs in place of feathers....


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I've thought it over; trying to see how I could make such a set-up work...

In a symbiotic relation; each have to get something out of it. I'm figuring....

The plant that takes the role of feathers could gain a advantage in distributing it's seeds; once the creature takes to the wing.

The creature gains the bonus of being able to fly. Perhaps it would be timed with the seasons: that when predators the 'leaf-wing' is vunable to moves in; they fly out to safer pastures.

Note; the plants might vary their color, making leaf-wings of any number of colors. The plants might even assist in mating displays. Perhaps we could name them bouquet-wings.

How the plants would get to growing upon the creature's limbs I haven't thought much on. Most likly eatten, though.


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 Post subject: Re: wierd critter thread
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:36 pm 
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Those really desiring to discuss wierd critters need to check out the Snaiad forum.


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 Post subject: Re: wierd critter thread
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:18 pm 
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Boy, I do need to spend some time back on this thread. Lots of fun.


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