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The chances of saving the [remaining] ecosystems are zero.

This world of ours is forever optimistic and positive thinking - so the above statement needs to be modified.

The chances of saving environment are good - chances are great - about one in a trillion.

Human species is a curse on earth. The destroyers of ecosystems can never become the saviours of ecosystems.

Asking humans to save environment is like asking petrol to extinguish a fire.



I know ecosystems are dying - I have come to accept that there is hardly any chance of saving environment. But I still continue to spread the message of saving nature.

When someone close to us is seriously ill we make all efforts to save him. Even when we know there is hardly any chance to save him we continue making efforts till the very end.

One knows that environment cannot be saved - still one continues to make efforts - because one wants to save environment.

We are alive because of nature - We owe our existence to nature.
We should try to save nature till the very end.


sushil_yadav
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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Every year sharks kill four people around the world.

Every year man kills 40 million sharks.

And then man says sharks are dangerous.

Human species is the most dangerous species on earth. It has decimated millions of other species - it has destroyed all ecosystems - air, water and land. Human species is the only species that is a threat to all life on earth - all ecosystems on earth.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we compare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.

Economy is a non-issue. Environment is important. Economy will not even exist without environment. Humans will not even exist without environment.

Modern society has plunged to extreme depths of insanity.

Modern society thinks it can be sustainable while it continues producing thousands of consumer goods.

Modern society thinks a peaceul world is possible while it continues to sell billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.

Modern society thinks cancer can be cured while it continues flooding the ecosystems with thousands of carcinogens.

On a small planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference the first rule of sustainability is - destroy less.

We destroy ecosystems for food - for clothing - for shelter - and for thousands of consumer goods.

The less we destroy - the more sustainable we are.

The fewer things we make - the more sustainable we are.

On a small planet like earth only a non-consumerist society can be sustainable - only a society that destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter[and health care] can be sustainable.



When something goes wrong with our cars, computers and aeroplanes, we contact the manufacturer to know how they could be repaired - where they could be repaired.

All ecosystems on earth are getting destroyed moment by moment. To repair, restore and regenerate them we need to contact the manufacturer. But where is the manufacturer of ecosystems? There is no human manufacturer - There are no multiNational Companies that manufactured rivers and oceans, fertile soil, forests, millions of species, millions of members in millions of species, arctic ice and other glaciers.

About 30 years ago most people refused to believe that arctic ice was melting or could melt in future.

Then satellite pictures started appearing and provided proof with "before and after" pictures. People reluctantly accepted that ice was melting - but were still not alarmed. They said it would take hundreds of years - thousands of years for ice to melt to a dangerous level.

If we compare satellite pictures of arctic ice of this year with those taken 30 years ago we would know how alarming the situation is.

Weather is becoming hotter, irregular and unpredictable across the globe. We have lost most of the forests and a large percentage of ice in Arctic region and glaciers elsewhere. Forests and ice have played a major role in regulating wind speed and direction of wind and monsoon/ rain clouds. Weather patterns were fairly constant for thousands of years. All that is changing now. The summer season is no longer the same as before - winters are not the same and monsoon rains are also no longer the same as before.

In the coming years agriculture is going to collapse worldwide due to change and irregularity of weather. Man has already decimated fish in the oceans. There will be nothing left for man to eat. The human species is going to starve to death. Just wait and see what happens in the next two decades.

Every ecosystem is in grave danger. The doomsday scenario is approaching hundreds of times faster than predicted earlier. The signs - the indicators are already there - the recent climate changes - the extreme weather conditions - droughts, floods, fires, hurricanes and typhoons. The collapse has already happened for millions of other species - they have been decimated. Human collapse is very near - just around the corner.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

I seem to have more faith in mankind's spirit and ability to cope than perhaps you do.

We should all do what we can, but Mother Nature will prevail in the end.

Very soon science is going to announce the gene for environmental destruction.

Humans are not responsible for environmental destruction - it is the gene.


Humans are not responsible for anything - the genes are responsible for everything.

It is the gene which is responsible for obesity.

It is the gene which is responsible for cancer.

It is the gene which is responsible for violence/ aggression.

It is the gene which is responsible for mental suffering.


When it comes to Olympic medal they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

When it comes to Nobel Prize they will give it to a person - not to the gene.

When it comes to rewarding work they will pay million dollar salary to the CEO - not to the gene.

When it comes to "Theory of Relativity" they will give credit to Einstein - not to the gene.



sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Gee whiz, Sushi, you sound like you've really flipped out.

Like Mothy!!!!

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”
― Chief Seattle

It is the behaviour of homo sapiens - the smart, intelligent, most evolved, superior-most species that is killing me.

On earth we have got oceans and oceans of water - which have been polluted/ poisoned by man - but this is hardly news for humans.

Recently Man bombarded the moon with a rocket to discover traces of water - and it became the newspaper headline across the world.

They call it progress, growth, development.


Height of insanity - Height of abnormality.

Don't search for a few molecules of water in outer space.

Take care of the water that is available on earth.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Hi Everyone,
My name is Justin and I am new to this site. I found this topic interesting and I will also like to add that you all not only have a sound knowledge but also share them regarding the gradual destruction of mind and environment by industrialization. Keep doing the good work of sharing invaluable information through your posts.

Well said Sushi.

Bump

For what? We know one "mind" destroyed by industrial society. Why encourage paranoid schizophrenia?
We know over industrialization depletes resources and is a huge source of pollution, and also a source of human greed. The root cause was overpopulation that got started just before the real industrial period started. What destroys mental health is attributable to overcrowding(increased anxiety disorders, increased hostile behavior, increased depressive illnesses). Much of what destroys physical health is from pollution. The more people, the more crowding and pollution.
If industrial society was within sustainability, along with the population, then physical and mental health would improve. Unfortunately, the depletion and pollution will take many thousands of years to get back to a more healthy environment.
"Homo sapiens, the smart, intelligent, most evolved, superior species that is killing me" Sushi.
Not really, my IQ is 138, I had one child at 39, built an Earthship out of recycled materials heated by the sun, totally on self made solar power, composters, hybrid, 1/20th the footprint plus the halver of one child late in life. Typical Mexican migrant--80IQ, old gas hog vehicle, 66% higher trash production than US average, 4.4 kids average at by 24 years old(the multiplier of kids over one is 5.5 for each, with footprint calculation). This overbreeder is 40 points higher than a chimpanzee, but 58 lower than me. The subset of dumb or crowd tolerant overbreeders, or greedy people is the one that is destroying the biosphere, not ones like me. They are not "superior species" are they? It is like several species within a species, and only the few can live or even understand sustainability. Asian crowd tolerance is their undoing, while with Americans it is their greed, and with most it is their actual stupidity.

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”
― Chief Seattle

Some people will just not get it - no matter how hard you try - no matter how many times you explain.

The two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism.

Science, Technology and Industrialization are responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.


If "Industrial Revolution" had not happened what would be the scenario today?

The feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control.

Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.

Maybe I would'nt be existing today - and billions of others may not have existed - but millions/ billions of humans would exist [just like they existed before Industrialization]

Most ecosystems would be hundreds of times/ thousands of times in better shape than today.

Millions of other species that have been decimated by Industrial Society would be existing in very healthy numbers - their population levels thousands of times greater than what they are now.


Providing food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is good. But did "Industrial Society" stop at that?

Do we have an Industrial Society that only provides food, clothing, shelter and healthcare to people?

No - the jokers tried to sell hundreds of consumer goods to all citizens of Industrial Society. They tried to make all people consumerists.

Industrial Society started destroying ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to destroying them for food, clothing and shelter.

You cannot do this on a small planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference. If you live this way you end up destroying all ecosystems - you end up decimating all other species - you end up destroying animals, trees, air, water and land - the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Why did God create the insane human species that is ready to do everything for the wrong cause and nothing for the right cause – a species which is willing to do everything to destroy the ecosystems and nothing to save the ecosystems.

Man is ready to kill and get killed for religion, for country, for honour, for power, for money and fame - But not for environment.

Millions have been killed over trivial issues and causes.
Millions have died for trivial issues and causes.

How many people have died for environment? How many people have died for the most important / precious things on earth – animals, trees, air, water and land – the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.

Most of the ecosystems are already gone. The little that remains is dying moment by moment. The situation is extremely critical but the human response is limited to the same old insanity – bring this technology, bring that technology - bring this technology, bring that technology.

Environmentalism has failed.
Environmentalism never existed.
It was Pseudo-Environmentalism all the way.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Recently there was an oil spill in the sea in US. The oil is killing marine life.

Oil kills ecosystems when it spills into the sea.

Oil kills ecosystems even when it does'nt spill into the sea.

If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to power ships that move around oceans - catching fish, killing... marine life, torturing marine life moment by moment. At any given time there are 50,000 ships moving in the oceans.

If the oil had not spilled it would have been used to run millions of cars, other vehicles, aeroplanes - whose exhausts would release millions of tonnes of toxic gases into the atmosphere. That is not all - ecosystems are killed to manufacture millions of cars, trucks, ships and aeroplanes that run on oil.

If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to run millions of industries and factories - all of which kill ecosystems - animals, trees, air, water, land.

Industry kills ecosystems when accidents happen. Industry kills ecosystems even when accidents don't happen.

All Industrial activity kills ecosystems.

All Industrial activity is an accident.


sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Industrial activity does not have to run on polluting fuels. Much could convert to running on non-polluting power. The ships at sea can go back to using sails, and the era of mass jet travel must end.
Still, at sea, the 7 floating huge gyres of plastic trash, the one hundred dead zones at estuary areas of huge size, and the floating globules of crude oil spilled. The atmosphere so polluted with exhaust that a once benevolent interglacial period becomes, eventually, a malevolent climate for most living things. The smoke particles from India's cooking fires makes up 20% of the soot falling on Arctic ice and snow, helping the melting and warming, and disrupting the monsoons.
Crowds of rushing humans driving themselves crazier as crowds intensify, while scarcity and hyperinflation set in. Desperation. Crash, and a whimper.
190,000 years from now, perhaps new species, and most evidence of man gone. Peace.

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”
― Chief Seattle