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I think that I would eat a human before eating a house cat. Humans are the most plentiful big game animal on Earth, and their numbers are ruining the Earth for themselves and all other life. A REAL environmentalist and person who cares about other animal life, would be a cannibal, technically.

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I'm a farmer. I eat meat. Why be vegan? I can understand vegetarianism, really I can. Not everyone wants to kill stuff. Milk, eggs, and beans can supply you with everything you need. That being said, I have never understood veganism and never will. What is the point? Do you not want animals to even exist? If they exist, what is against using them? Without us, many domesticated animals would not even exist.

Having a vegan diet means trying to minimise suffering. Vegetariansim does't come as close to the minimising of suffering. Milk was meant for the calf, we are the only mature species thet drink milk apart from cats. There is scientific proof that a bereavement occurs between the mother cow and calf when they are separated then the frightened calf is put in a crate and fed a milk substitute. In the egg laying industry the male chicks are either gassed or fed live into a mincing machine. Of course there is cruelty in arable farming but that is not intentional.
Sure they wouldn't exist but that which never existed could never have suffered.
Indeed it would be sad to see green fields void of sheep and cattle but if that meant no intensive farming and no slaughterhouses that would be fine by me.

I can jump over the fence and see where you are coming from but I have a different belief rightly or wrongly.

Whats your thoughts on intensive farming?

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Calves are fed a milk substitute based on a dried milk powder because it is cheaper.

Chicks in the wild are prone to animals that do not have our potential for empathy and altruism.

Instinct is stronger than reason.

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One other thing. You made no reference when I mentioned the frightened calf. Do I conclude you accept this as part of mans ill-gotten gains?

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