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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:05 pm 
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THRIVE ..... a movie/doc that explains free energy and the suppression of alternatives energy sources by oil companies. It involves all kinds of issues and cover ups related to keeping control of energy sources. Nassim Haramein, Buckminster Fuller, sacred geometry and the flower of life, crop circles, UFO's, etc. It is very interesting and I would be interested to hear what others think of it!

It is about 2 hours long though, so get comfortable, ..... but you better hurry, (but don't rush!)

http://laurabruno.wordpress.com/2011/11 ... mid=539472


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:00 am 
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Saw that video last week . Very interesting. It has alot of 'information' which I have believed for years, rightly or wrongly.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:28 am 
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Compiled conspiracy theories do not tend to support each other when the actual facts are considered.

For example, who issues the money in reality as opposed to the claim in the video:

"But the Federal reserve board have no power whatever to regulate the rates of interest that bankers may charge borrowers of money. This is the Aldrich bill in disguise, the difference being that by this bill the Government issues the money, whereas by the Aldrich bill the issue was controlled by the banks...Wall Street will control the money as easily through this bill as they have heretofore."(Congressional Record, v. 51, page 1447, Dec. 22, 1913)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:47 pm 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Compiled conspiracy theories do not tend to support each other when the actual facts are considered.

For example, who issues the money in reality as opposed to the claim in the video:

"But the Federal reserve board have no power whatever to regulate the rates of interest that bankers may charge borrowers of money. This is the Aldrich bill in disguise, the difference being that by this bill the Government issues the money, whereas by the Aldrich bill the issue was controlled by the banks...Wall Street will control the money as easily through this bill as they have heretofore."(Congressional Record, v. 51, page 1447, Dec. 22, 1913)



In the uk it seems the bankers and the government have embraced themselves in a money lending deal that no-one can fathom.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:19 am 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Compiled conspiracy theories do not tend to support each other when the actual facts are considered.

For example, who issues the money in reality as opposed to the claim in the video:

"But the Federal reserve board have no power whatever to regulate the rates of interest that bankers may charge borrowers of money. This is the Aldrich bill in disguise, the difference being that by this bill the Government issues the money, whereas by the Aldrich bill the issue was controlled by the banks...Wall Street will control the money as easily through this bill as they have heretofore."(Congressional Record, v. 51, page 1447, Dec. 22, 1913)


The film is over 2 hours and discusses many issues. If I was a retired person I might be able to research some or all of its claims. I haven't even managed to get to Tessla yet .....(but I probably will at some point).

The entire economic system is difficult to understand for most people. In fact, I would bet that rocket science is easier to understand. Economics has become so incredibly complex through the years, decades and (recent) centuries. The standard was gold and then the greenback ..... but seems that is changing as China now holds the majority of US debt which is why people are buying up gold again.
(since the American dollar has been demoted alongside Pluto). The fed has no power to regulate interest rates but has power to create money while Wall Street controls it?

If most European countries are in debt and the US is in debt ....... and 3rd world countries are seemingly always in debt ...... who are they in debt to? Are they in debt to each other? Are they in debt to the World Bank, and if so, who are the World Bank?

Is it fair that 3rd world countries are so poor while we are so rich? Does our wealth depend on their poverty? Why can't 3rd world debt be forgiven? Who might forgive it? Why would they or wouldn't they? Who are "they"?

This is basic and yet complex information and it is not taught in high school or college/university unless one specializes in economics/finances. But it affects us all even while most of us don't understand it.

Wayne, if you understand it, or think you do, .... can you explain 3rd world debt .... and why it is not forgiven in light of the people who go without food in the horn of Africa? .... Because that is the crux. I know it is a very complex question .... whether you are retired or not .... and if you could please not explain it like a rocket scientist .... I (we?) would be grateful!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:07 am 
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I am not retired and I do understand a it about economics, but there are competing theories in economics which are very difficult to generate evidence.

The third world debt question is failry simple and complex at the same time. The debt is split about evenly between private institutions and institutions such as the World Bank. The private based loans are to the "upper" rank of the third world countries as the "lower" ranks will not qualify.

The problem with the debt is not just the debt but the reasons for it. The economies have often been mismanaged and the money spent on projects with dubious return or outright appearance of fraud. There are stories of condo purchases in Miami, for example. This means all talk of debt relief is moot on a general level and can only be considered on a case by case system. Even then the accounting becomes an issue as the debt is an asset that will impact the bank if it is removed.

There are ways countries can get their debt forgiven, but that entails an actual workable economic plan. For example, Mexico was in a very bad debt situtation about 20 years ago after the interest rate increases of the 1980s, but they were able to work out a plan.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:10 am 
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The Us debt is a combination of sources, including the government itself. The Social Security fund, for example, does not contain the money for Social Security because all above a certain level is "loaned" to other governmental funds per act of Congress. Of course that could be considered a loan from the individuals who have paid into the fund, but the US government was the trustee and will be responsible for repayment.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Bank_Group

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