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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:11 pm 
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The Bnp may not be to everyone's taste or agreement.

Their policies on keeping British values in place as opposed to the mass immigrational population from bringing in their laws into Britain and eventually taking over Britain through mass reproduction, many may argue is a myth, not going to happen (as the video shows catering for the minorities law faith has already happened with majority not being aware of the cruelty their bit of flesh on a plate has endured) . An anti - intermingling of the global community or the preservation of the indigenous population of Britain?

I do not agree with alot of their policies but this needs to be addressed if we are to go forward as an ethical society.

Before you put forward pro-nonpain biological analysis nonsense of how the animals brains react to this barbarity it is obvious they suffer horrendously and fear greatly.
Video is very graphic. Discretion is advised.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/bnp%E2%80%99 ... hter-video

It does not take a semi-astute person to see the terror in the eyes of these innocent creatures. How dare The Muslims and Jews put their religous beliefs before the protection and safeguard of the most placid animals in the world. And the Christians who seem smug in the fact they are stunned although in many cases this isn't carried out correctly.
2011 and there is an increase in Halal and kosher slaughter going on.

'Here Fred, what time is Eastenders on tonight?' 'Another half an hour Beryl, time to order a curry'. Bloody ignorant apathetic shame on humanity. Shadows and hiders of reality.


It seems my spelling ability is not evolving! Not making light of this very serious topic. .


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 Post subject: Re: spiritual evolvement
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:50 am 
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No response. I guess you are guilty of fear of freedom of speech incase it offends the religious fanatics. I guess that's me jailed for 6 months! :shock:

I will spend 20 years in jail if it ends human and animal suffering.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:14 am 
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When the primary statements surround the religion, the "foisting" of this and that onto the majority of the population, the message is merely opposition to that religion and the subject is an excuse to do so.

Halal and Kosher meats are killed in the same manner, but only one is mentioned in the video for the reason I gave above.

As for the fear in the animals eyes, you will see the same fear in taking a pet to the veterinary office or introducing a new location or process into their normal routine. The facts surrounding Halal and Kosher slaughter are fairly well researched and are not refuted by cherry=picking or misrepresenting videos.

http://www.grandin.com/ritual/rec.ritual.slaughter.html

Ritual slaughter is slaughter done according to the religious requirements of either the Jewish or Muslim religious faith. The animal is slaughtered, without being stunned, with a razor sharp knife. When the cut is done correctly, the animal appears not to feel it. From an animal welfare standpoint, the major concern during ritual slaughter are the stressful and cruel methods of restraint (holding) that are used in some plants. Progressive slaughter plants use devices to hold the animal in a comfortable, upright position. Unfortunately, there are some plants which use cruel methods of restraint such as hanging live animals upside down. At Grandin Livestock Systems, we believe that the practice of hanging live cattle and calves upside down should be eliminated. For both humane and safety reasons, plants which conduct ritual slaughter should install modern upright restraining equipment. There are many different types of humane restraint devices available

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:18 pm 
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Lets summise the cut is not felt. Whether the unfortunate creature is hung upside down, held diagonal, restrained comfortably or uncomfortably the following 4 minutes that go through the creatures mind is pure speculation. Speculation which will no doubt support the slaughter. I suggest pure terror is felt in those 4 minutes.

The morning is the start of another mourning for those who concentrate on the uglier side of reality.

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There is a video doing the rounds of the horrific killing of a sheep at the 'safe' hands of an American soldier. I say Halal and Kosher are actually a worse way to die.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:40 pm 
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Lets summise the cut is not felt. Whether the unfortunate creature is hung upside down, held diagonal, restrained comfortably or uncomfortably the following 4 minutes that go through the creatures mind is pure speculation. Speculation which will no doubt support the slaughter. I suggest pure terror is felt in those 4 minutes.


The loss of blood flow to the brain is an immediate impact, which we know has variable impacts on the conscious mind. The speculation of what is and is not felt in relation to a human understanding is a moot point. I know of deer shot with a broadhead which returned to eating because the sound of the bow was insufficient to spook them and the wound was not painful enough either. They continued to eat until they dropped dead according to several examples given by different hunters.

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The morning is the start of another mourning for those who concentrate on the uglier side of reality.


That is the key, concentrating on what appears to be ugly itself makes the ugliness seem worse.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:44 pm 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
mothy wrote:
Lets summise the cut is not felt. Whether the unfortunate creature is hung upside down, held diagonal, restrained comfortably or uncomfortably the following 4 minutes that go through the creatures mind is pure speculation. Speculation which will no doubt support the slaughter. I suggest pure terror is felt in those 4 minutes.


The loss of blood flow to the brain is an immediate impact, which we know has variable impacts on the conscious mind. The speculation of what is and is not felt in relation to a human understanding is a moot point. I know of deer shot with a broadhead which returned to eating because the sound of the bow was insufficient to spook them and the wound was not painful enough either. They continued to eat until they dropped dead according to several examples given by different hunters.

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The morning is the start of another mourning for those who concentrate on the uglier side of reality.


That is the key, concentrating on what appears to be ugly itself makes the ugliness seem worse.



You say moot point therefore humanely we should give the creatures predicament the benefit of the doubt and treat it in terms of the worst case scenario.

I mentioned the Americans killing of the sheep as better than halal/ kosher killing. I was viciously attacked by a thug with baseball bat which left me with two plates in my head. At the time I felt nothing. So maybe the brain does have a protective quality when facing a violent death.

What appears to be ugly and what is actually ugly are sometimes two different things.

What people see and feel and what is happening on the other side of the coin can be worlds apart.


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mothy wrote:
You say moot point therefore humanely we should give the creatures predicament the benefit of the doubt and treat it in terms of the worst case scenario.

I mentioned the Americans killing of the sheep as better than halal/ kosher killing. I was viciously attacked by a thug with baseball bat which left me with two plates in my head. At the time I felt nothing. So maybe the brain does have a protective quality when facing a violent death.

What appears to be ugly and what is actually ugly are sometimes two different things.

What people see and feel and what is happening on the other side of the coin can be worlds apart.


I have no problem with you or anyone else choosing to treat other animals as if they felt as humans do, but that should also entail them not having a problem with me not doing so as well.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:05 am 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
mothy wrote:
You say moot point therefore humanely we should give the creatures predicament the benefit of the doubt and treat it in terms of the worst case scenario.

I mentioned the Americans killing of the sheep as better than halal/ kosher killing. I was viciously attacked by a thug with baseball bat which left me with two plates in my head. At the time I felt nothing. So maybe the brain does have a protective quality when facing a violent death.

What appears to be ugly and what is actually ugly are sometimes two different things.

What people see and feel and what is happening on the other side of the coin can be worlds apart.


I have no problem with you or anyone else choosing to treat other animals as if they felt as humans do, but that should also entail them not having a problem with me not doing so as well.


Science has little understanding towards animal/insect consciousness therefore ethically/morally we should give them the benefit of the doubt and draw or perceive their consciousness as close to ourselves as possible,after all the most intelligent dog is brighter than the most unintelligent human.

Protagoras once wrote 'man is a measure of all things'. When it comes to pass I believe this dogma will fall on its hands and knees.
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Natural world should be preserved for sake of our enjoyment and survival. I think all religions are a bunch of BS. They lead us to bloodshed and draw us back to dark ages. Right now, in USA, USDA kills birds and mammals by the bushels to please industries. They do it without any transparency. Our media broadcasters are puzzled, wherso many dead redwings came from. We see them on highways and town streets... USDA done this elsewhere, the birds flew away and died... They poison ravens, coyotes and other wildlife to protect idusttrial interests and they do it in secret from the public. Are you a spiritual person or, you are an atheist, does not matter. Human population is hardly compatible with wild nature. We are animals, too and this is how we compete with other species grabbing more and more land, sea and all kinds of habitats. Animal rights movement is misleading; it focuses on "suffering" and all kind of unimportant emotional issues. The problem is how to safe our Wild America.

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sevendogs wrote:
The problem is how to safe our Wild America.


Maybe. Even so, it being a problem is no indication that it can be solved. What if it is our destiny to overpopulate and simply endure the conditions brought on by it or go extinct? Those are seeming more and more like the options as days go by.

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