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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Sounds like an idea you would fully support....

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I can have oodles of charm....... when I want to.

So do you have more of a problem with understanding the concept context, of the concept of logical connection, or of the concept of honesty?

Here we have the complete quote and the question it answered concerning why we needed leaders.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Opps, took it out of context a little, eh?

The article you posted does seem like something you would ascribe to though. How to you feel about his assertion that people who are either too dumb or ignorant would be better, and more patriotic, not to vote at all?

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I can have oodles of charm....... when I want to.

I believe everyone should become informed in order to vote as intelligently as possible on the issues, but I would never support anyone being told they could or should not vote. It is also the duty of every citizen to participate.

I would support a limit to the money spent on election ads in total to prevent the purchase of elections.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Er, um......now, this is unusual.......I agree with your viewpoint.

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I can have oodles of charm....... when I want to.

Just checked outside and the temperature is still above freezing here, so it is unlikely Hades is frozen either.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Some should not. The inability to apply doesn't detract from it being a good idea.

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TANG SOO!

Some do not vote as their choice, but telling someone they should not vote instead of telling them to take a little time to learn and then vote is wrong, IMO. There will be some who vote on either side of an issue with little to no information, but at least they participated. Knowing and still not participating is worse, IMO.

It is like telling kids they are wasting resources by going to school so they should drop out and get a job ... the "easy" solution that may cause some to be lost to the system that could use them.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

I don't think anyone is against having folks learn before voting. However, if you're not going to verify whether or not they did, there's little point in telling them to do so. I wonder sometimes just how important education is when we allow the poorest, most uneducated and uninformed individuals vote because, well, it's their right. The MS delta is a prime example of what happens when that is allowed to go on for generations.

That's what my education has led me to believe, and it isn't too shabby.



At least, sometimes quite literally.



Agreed. Thinking one knows something and voting might be a close second.



Alright, then how far do you go in attempting to turn them around? If you can't show that the gains are worth the resources put in or more, you are wasting your time and resources. No need to sugar coat it.

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TANG SOO!

Just as there would be little point in telling teenagers to have safe sex without being able to verify they do or do not?



Given those people are electing more educated and more informed individuals, or should be, this situation is somewhat covered by a representative democracy. If it were a pure democracy it would be a worse problem.

The problem with the impact on the elections has always been that they become more of a popularity contest. The representatives have mutated to the point they are nearly always playing to the next election.

The concept of a poll tax or poll test does not eliminate this issue, but allows one group a better chance of controlling whether another group can vote. A very slippery slope to me.



I had to fire a woman with a PhD in molecular biology a few years ago, partly because she was the most clueless person I have ever known with such a high level of education. I would not have trusted her to vote intelligently in any election, but I would never suggest that she not vote if she were going to.




But what if we are not as knowledgable as we think we are? We could only think we know, but do not. Mental operations are very confusing to some who "know" a different reality. My grandmother, for example, "knew" she was living in the late 1940s for a few years prior to her death. Reality may be more relative than we know.



But things change and people change even more. If you have ever watched the "Rocket City Rednecks" show, the one guy living in the trailer working at a low level job supposedly has the highest IQ of anyone there including the ones working for NASA.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Working pretty well, isn't it?


I have a solution to that.

Then weigh votes based on median income and tax paid the prior few years. The curve doesn't necessarily have to be linear but if it is, it doesn't have to be steep either.

Of course you wouldn't. But that's out of courtesy, not objectivity.

Everyone knows you stop studying molecular biology at the bachelors level. I mean, come on.


How much money did you make and how much tax have you paid the last few years?


Tax returns, please...

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TANG SOO!

Actually, it is not working that badly given the opposition to anything other than telling them to abstain ......


I have a solution to that.





The rich have more voting power because they have more money and the poor have less voting power because they have less money. Not something I could ever support. Poverty is not easily overcome and wealth can be more easily obtained by those without scruples. I do not see wealth as a requirement to vote being positive at all.



Not everyone, there are a few researchers I know who went on and are just now starting to make almost decent money at it.



How much did Bernie Madoff make? Does that mean his vote is more important than anyonee elses? The same for Trump, I would not trust his vote either, yet it would appear they can "prove" some reason for us to do so under this proposal.




Money does not equal intelligence or knowledge. Income may be derived from interest on money acquired by prior generations or even lottery winnings, neither of which indicates a greater or lesser ability to vote.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Try to imagine a rule without exception. Tough, isn't it? Beyond that, the curve itself needn't necessarily be linear. The intent is not to equate intelligence with money. It's to gauge the value of one's contributions to the society in which they live and ultimately, govern.

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TANG SOO!

But income does not gauge the value of one's contributions to the society at all. There were families in the military receiving food stamps a few years back. The salary of teachers and medical support are some of the lowest in the country today, but the impoprtance to society of both groups is far greater than someone who happens to win the Lotto and has an attorney invest it for them. There are too many bad exceptions in this rule for me to support, sorry.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein