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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:20 pm 
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Will science be mans ultimate friend or foe?
Will religion be likewise?

Or will they combine and reveal god?

The God that is depicted in the bible as all mans' emotions versus the science that will capture mans' emotions.

I believe in Spinozas God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

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A God that creates a zebra that is to be devoured by a lion makes me question the Gods judgement and action.

Richard Dawkins springs to mind. Read the blind watchmaker. A good read.


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He overlooked mass extinction, competition and natural selection. All that harmony is achieved as a result of many deaths and perpetual suffering.

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He overlooked mass extinction, competition and natural selection. All that harmony is achieved as a result of many deaths and perpetual suffering.


Harmony will never be attained as discord with chaos will always ensue, and chaotic discord will run the show.

Simple physics.


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Mothy = Simple Psychosis
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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Mothy = Simple Psychosis
:lol: :razz: :lol: :razz: :lol: :mrgreen: [-X =; O:)


Are you having a 'stab' at me again? [-X

I do agree though that Richard Dawkins does blow alot of hot air at times.


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If God is who He claims to be thean He created science and can not be a contradiction to it.

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If God is who He claims to be thean He created science and can not be a contradiction to it.


Can he build a wall that he cannot climb?

Religion is full of contradictions.

So is life.

'if' is the middle word in life.

Marlon Brando Apocalypse Now.


Is God the the product of our oppressive leaders? Leaders that may have gone back to babylonian times and beyond..
Has the moon got a lot so say for itself? The sun stars the zodiac?

Does Lucifer the fallen angel bring light?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxLCL-9RO8

We are created from stardust but call ourselves earthlings. Isn't that interstellarism? Lets make the politically correct crap go cosmo.

Was God created by man for the solace of man?

In a world that is filled with madness makes me almost feel sane.


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I believe God created all the things that we perceive, including all the stars and planets, all the laws of science, including those which led to life and us, to love, beauty, and music. I don't believe in Lucifer, but do know that evil exists in the behavior of some people. Some people are deluded from reality by things that are not their fault or from ignorance. Some unfortunates lack the ability to be honest with themselves. Many act just like herd animals, and others like snakes, or vermin. The only thing in common with the many sorts in the human species is the ability of males and females to breed. Otherwise it is like a group of species in the same niche, with seemingly few who are not hell bent on destroying their own biosphere through over-breeding, stupidity, ignorance, and greed. :-& :-({|= #-o ](*,) :cry:

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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
I believe God created all the things that we perceive, including all the stars and planets, all the laws of science, including those which led to life and us, to love, beauty, and music. I don't believe in Lucifer, but do know that evil exists in the behavior of some people. Some people are deluded from reality by things that are not their fault or from ignorance. Some unfortunates lack the ability to be honest with themselves. Many act just like herd animals, and others like snakes, or vermin. The only thing in common with the many sorts in the human species is the ability of males and females to breed. Otherwise it is like a group of species in the same niche, with seemingly few who are not hell bent on destroying their own biosphere through over-breeding, stupidity, ignorance, and greed. :-& :-({|= #-o ](*,) :cry:



Did God create man to dominate his power over and was Lucifer the fallen angel sent to set men free?
Societies throughout the ages have envisaged/ perceived negative forces that feed off man's fear/ well-being.

Let me tell you the fear you feel is by no chance. You are being fed upon by the demons that love and thrive on your fear. You may think you live your life independently but have you ever thought there is something deeper going on? There is.

I know a friend called Ziggy whose father was murdered, whose mother died of cancer and whose child was stillborn. In the space of three months. He got himself exorcised god bless him.

What I want to know if God exists he could extinguish this evil and make the lion he created hug the zebra and not in a death embrace.


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I am very non-religious, because I am a natural skeptic.

I look off of the evidence when I try and forumlate my own hypotheses.

That's why I want to persue an occupation in the field of atmospheric science, because it has been a long passion of mine since I was very young, and I look at the evidence to base my conclusions, which is what science is about.

Religion involves faith only, and that is what makes me an agnostic. There is no evidence that such a being "God" exists, so I can not conclusively say that there is a "God."

I find that a majority of people who are highly religious are often scientifically illiterate because they put faith in front of actual hard evidence.

Because I am a natural skeptic, I fall within trusting science more than I trust religion.

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Snowy123 wrote:
I am very non-religious, because I am a natural skeptic.

I look off of the evidence when I try and forumlate my own hypotheses.

That's why I want to persue an occupation in the field of atmospheric science, because it has been a long passion of mine since I was very young, and I look at the evidence to base my conclusions, which is what science is about.

Religion involves faith only, and that is what makes me an agnostic. There is no evidence that such a being "God" exists, so I can not conclusively say that there is a "God."

I find that a majority of people who are highly religious are often scientifically illiterate because they put faith in front of actual hard evidence.

Because I am a natural skeptic, I fall within trusting science more than I trust religion.

God equals science and science equals God.

God lives in imagination and hope. To many people no God equals despair.


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mothy wrote:
Snowy123 wrote:
I am very non-religious, because I am a natural skeptic.

I look off of the evidence when I try and forumlate my own hypotheses.

That's why I want to persue an occupation in the field of atmospheric science, because it has been a long passion of mine since I was very young, and I look at the evidence to base my conclusions, which is what science is about.

Religion involves faith only, and that is what makes me an agnostic. There is no evidence that such a being "God" exists, so I can not conclusively say that there is a "God."

I find that a majority of people who are highly religious are often scientifically illiterate because they put faith in front of actual hard evidence.

Because I am a natural skeptic, I fall within trusting science more than I trust religion.

God equals science and science equals God.

God lives in imagination and hope. To many people no God equals despair.


Perhaps, and that is why religion requires faith.

Praying helps many people cope with tough times that they are going through. I know that praying helps many people out that I know on a daily basis.

However, while praying may be beneficial to one's mental state, does that mean that there is a God? Nope.

Show me one piece of conclusive evidence that there is a God and I will change my views from being an agnostic to a believer.

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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/st ... 53396440/1

Scientists inch closer to 'God particle'

In the hunt for the Higgs boson, which is key to understanding why matter has mass, two teams of physicists using results from a now-closed American accelerator have come up with similar findings to those announced late last year by researchers at the more powerful Large Hadron Collider in Europe. While the scientists using the two accelerators have not found the elusive subatomic particle, they both have narrowed the area where it can be found, if it exists. And they know where it isn't.

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Snowy123 wrote:
Show me one piece of conclusive evidence that there is a God and I will change my views from being an agnostic to a believer.


That'd be like trying to show a research paper to a staunch believer in hopes of convincing them that work was actually performed in support of it. They don't really care.

We all have faith. There is, at some point, a level of trust that we put in some things without having witnessed first hand. Where ever you draw the line, you're not going to convince that science or religion overwhelms purely anecdotal personal experience when making decisions.

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/story/2012-03-07/god-particle-higgs-boson/53396440/1

Scientists inch closer to 'God particle'


Seems like a lot of effort chasing down something that may not exist. Do you support this type research?

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