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I might point out the clarification that human eating is not quite amoral as there is a moral opposition to eating other humans ........ not to mention the other various moral restrictions placed by religions. The natural concept eating of anything, including siblings or offspring, would be amoral.

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Reminds me of the story of the whaler Essex in 1819. Nature herself, in the form of an enraged sperm whale of great size, swam as fast as it could and butted the ship head first. Enraged at the killing of another in the pod, he broke the keel and shove in the planks, sinking the ship. The sailors on the small whale boats got what they could from the wreck, and because of the (unfounded later)fear of cannibals on the nearest island, set out for South America, much further away.
They found it necessary to eat their comrades as they died. Then later, hunger drove them to draw straws. The shortest would sacrifice his life, and the second shortest would have to kill him with a pistol. The Captain ended up eating his nephew, who drew the short straw. The mate who drew the second shortest and shot him, was not charged when they were finally found after over 3 months at sea. The sailors in the other boat survived similarly, and the third boat was never found.
The reports from the Captain and First Officer were read years later, by a young author named Herman Melville, and made into the fiction, Moby Dick.
Of interest to this is that the whaling ship Ann Alexander was also sunk by a whale in 1851, and the whaling Bark Kathleen was sunk by a whale in 1901. In each case the survivors were rescued in a week or less. It is unknown how many more were sunk by the whales they hunted, but had no survivors.
People have eaten people out of desperation, or custom, whether a natural death or murdered, since pre-history. The latest I remember is the case of the Andean plane crash, documented with a TV program. I never heard of the Canadian plane crash story, until now. It might be more recent.
Personally, I would eat road kill if it was edible, but would not eat a human. I have lived long enough to where I just wouldn't be that desperate to live.
In the future, though, with the various human populations in differential states of collapse from overpopulation, I see cannibalism as being common. In some areas this could be in 20 years, in others 40. I think some of them would organize into gangs, armed, with what transportation is possible, and roaming for food including humans weaker than them. In the end killing each other to eat, until the last one succumbs to disease or starvation.

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It is amazing that the Andean plane crashed Oct13, 1972, and the Canadian plane crashed Dec8. 1972. The story is very unlike the previous post about it. Only the pilot survived by eating the dead, while with the soccer team more survived.
In googling it brought up the 1800s Donner Party, and this guy:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/seri ... index.html

"Israel Swan he was a rugged trapping man
Until Alfred Packer cooked him in an iron frying pan
And few was tougher than Shannon Wilson Bell
Tough as salted leather; Packer salted this man well
Then there was Frank Miller, then there was George Noon
Packer et Frank with a fork and he et George with a spoon
And James Humphrey was the last one from Utah
And Packer's ax and mouth was the last thing Humphrey saw
There was six men started out with Packer as their guide
And Packer he came back with the other five inside
Packer couldn't lead a party and he couldn't hunt no meat
But give him an ax and a skillet and packer he could eat

Colorado folks wanted to give his neck a stretch
They gather at Lake City and said let us hang the wretch
Melville shook his gavel at Packer's matted head
And said "Hang him by the neck until he is dead, dead, dead"
But Packer pled his case and the Supreme Court set him free
O is it a crime for a man to eat when he is hungary
He was a cannibal and a murderer and a son of a wretched gun
But given an ax and an appetite, you might do what Packer done
There was six men started out with Packer as their guide
And Packer he came back with the other five inside
Packer couldn't lead a party and he couldn't hunt no meat
But give him an ax and a skillet and packer he could eat"...... =P~ :-

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