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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:06 pm 
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It's interesting how more Climate Scientists are coming out and saying that the GHE theory is total bunk.

I think that these two scientists are totally wrong, and have jumped off of the deep end.

They have yet to explain why, on a Cloudy night temperatures are higher than on a clear night.

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInfor ... perID=9233

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:13 pm 
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Snowy123 wrote:
It's interesting how more Climate Scientists are coming out and saying that the GHE theory is total bunk.

I think that these two scientists are totally wrong, and have jumped off of the deep end.

They have yet to explain why, on a Cloudy night temperatures are higher than on a clear night.

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInfor ... perID=9233



I have heard of Kramm and I think he is a meteorologist probably approaching 70, as are many of the skeptic publishers. The GHE has too much science behind it to be so easily ignored.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:20 pm 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:

I have heard of Kramm and I think he is a meteorologist probably approaching 70, as are many of the skeptic publishers. The GHE has too much science behind it to be so easily ignored.


Kramm is 65 years old (not too much older than you Wayne :mrgreen:)

And 100% agree with your second statement.

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Snowy123 wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:

I have heard of Kramm and I think he is a meteorologist probably approaching 70, as are many of the skeptic publishers. The GHE has too much science behind it to be so easily ignored.


Kramm is 65 years old (not too much older than you Wayne :mrgreen:)


double digits ... :razz:

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They have yet to explain why, on a Cloudy night temperatures are higher than on a clear night

That one is easy: clouds reflect light including the invisible infrared light that all objects emit. By getting back most of that infrared light instead of heading off into space, the earth's surface loses much less heat and thus stays warmer. It is nature's radiant heating system. Contrast that to Mars where temperatures fall greatly at night due to a lack of cloud cover.


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They have yet to explain why, on a Cloudy night temperatures are higher than on a clear night

That one is easy: clouds reflect light including the invisible infrared light that all objects emit. By getting back most of that infrared light instead of heading off into space, the earth's surface loses much less heat and thus stays warmer. It is nature's radiant heating system. Contrast that to Mars where temperatures fall greatly at night due to a lack of cloud cover.


In the context of the "paper" published such things do not happen, thus the point they have not explained.

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Ann Vole wrote:
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They have yet to explain why, on a Cloudy night temperatures are higher than on a clear night

That one is easy: clouds reflect light including the invisible infrared light that all objects emit. By getting back most of that infrared light instead of heading off into space, the earth's surface loses much less heat and thus stays warmer. It is nature's radiant heating system. Contrast that to Mars where temperatures fall greatly at night due to a lack of cloud cover.


Wayne Stollings wrote:
In the context of the "paper" published such things do not happen, thus the point they have not explained.

ha! I have positive proof that most people can do with home equipment and a few bucks of local supplies. Buy some infrared film for your camera or get a video camera with infrared capabilities and photograph/video record a partially cloudy sky at night... total proof


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Ann Vole wrote:
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They have yet to explain why, on a Cloudy night temperatures are higher than on a clear night

That one is easy: clouds reflect light including the invisible infrared light that all objects emit. By getting back most of that infrared light instead of heading off into space, the earth's surface loses much less heat and thus stays warmer. It is nature's radiant heating system. Contrast that to Mars where temperatures fall greatly at night due to a lack of cloud cover.


Your comparison with Earth and Mars has to do a lot with the atmospheric pressure on the planets.

Mars has a very thin atmosphere, so generally, the diurnal temperature is very high, since the very thin atmosphere allows for more OLR to escape to space, and for more ISR to reach the surface, since most of it isn't absorbed by the atmosphere, since there is little to no atmosphere.

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