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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:33 pm 
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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/story/2012-03-07/god-particle-higgs-boson/53396440/1

Scientists inch closer to 'God particle'


Seems like a lot of effort chasing down something that may not exist. Do you support this type research?


Yes, it may hold a lot of answers to how the universe works.

There was a discussion recently about what a scientist is and part of my opinion was a person who knows just how little is really known and still tries to find the answers to the yet unknown questions. This holds a lot of questions and maybe a few answers too.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:19 pm 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
There was a discussion recently about what a scientist is and part of my opinion was a person who knows just how little is really known and still tries to find the answers to the yet unknown questions. This holds a lot of questions and maybe a few answers too.


Just checking. I'm was drawn back to our discussion of a perfect vacuum in a jar.

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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
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Would that be a Dyson in a jar? :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Would that be a Dyson in a jar? :mrgreen:


Anything capable of sucking up an entire cat is perfect IMO.

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Fosgate wrote:
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Would that be a Dyson in a jar? :mrgreen:


Anything capable of sucking up an entire cat is perfect IMO.


A lfetime ago I worked with a project that specified storm pumps for the city of Buffalo, New York. The specs did not state it as such but the pumps were large enough to pass human bodies through the impeller without clogging. I got to walk through one of the pumps with a measure to check the clearances before delivery.

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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
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Donnie Mac Leod wrote:
If God is who He claims to be thean He created science and can not be a contradiction to it.


No it didn't. It would have created the universe, both physical and ethereal. Science is the method of pursuing knowledge that man created and has worked so far. Whether God approves of this method, if it exist, wouldn't change that it didn't create it.

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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
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Science defines my religious beliefs and my religious beliefs prove science. To explain that statement I will tell you that I have experienced many miracles that totally break the rules of physics. Because I know the rules of physics enough, I must believe in a supernatural entity that can cause these miracles to happen or else I must doubt everything we know about science. Creation is an easy way out for understanding the universe so I am in favor of looking for a physics-based explanation of matter. Atheists NEED the big bang and a finite beginning of the universe to disprove God. Those that believe in a creator don't care one way or the other because they can always say the big bang was just God's method of creation or without a big bang event can say the universe is just as eternal as God is. The more I know about physics and biology and anatomy, the more convinced I am that those miracles I witnessed are truly the work of a being allowed to break the rules of physics... likely because as a creator of those laws of physics, God can mess with them at will. Is this God some loving being or some cold force? Maybe a bit of both but we cannot understand the thoughts of a being who is NOT the beings God created. The will and purpose of God is unknowable as much as we can expect a pet mouse to understand how I make money to pay for the utilities of the house it lives in. We are completely out of the loop in that regards so trying to define God is a stupid activity and a waste of time. Discovering the finer details of physics on the other hand can make life so much better for so many people that it is Godly to embrace science.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:56 pm 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
A lfetime ago I worked with a project that specified storm pumps for the city of Buffalo, New York. The specs did not state it as such but the pumps were large enough to pass human bodies through the impeller without clogging. I got to walk through one of the pumps with a measure to check the clearances before delivery.


Yep. Haven't worked with them that large, but have had some experience with trash pumps capable of passing 1" pieces at the old rubber plant. We'd grind them down to 80 mesh using stones in a modified paper mill and an azo classifier.

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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
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Science defines my religious beliefs and my religious beliefs prove science. To explain that statement I will tell you that I have experienced many miracles that totally break the rules of physics. Because I know the rules of physics enough, I must believe in a supernatural entity that can cause these miracles to happen or else I must doubt everything we know about science. Creation is an easy way out for understanding the universe so I am in favor of looking for a physics-based explanation of matter. Atheists NEED the big bang and a finite beginning of the universe to disprove God. Those that believe in a creator don't care one way or the other because they can always say the big bang was just God's method of creation or without a big bang event can say the universe is just as eternal as God is. The more I know about physics and biology and anatomy, the more convinced I am that those miracles I witnessed are truly the work of a being allowed to break the rules of physics... likely because as a creator of those laws of physics, God can mess with them at will. Is this God some loving being or some cold force? Maybe a bit of both but we cannot understand the thoughts of a being who is NOT the beings God created. The will and purpose of God is unknowable as much as we can expect a pet mouse to understand how I make money to pay for the utilities of the house it lives in. We are completely out of the loop in that regards so trying to define God is a stupid activity and a waste of time. Discovering the finer details of physics on the other hand can make life so much better for so many people that it is Godly to embrace science.

Very good, Ann!!! :clap: =D> :clap: =D> :angel:

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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Ann Vole wrote:
Science defines my religious beliefs and my religious beliefs prove science. To explain that statement I will tell you that I have experienced many miracles that totally break the rules of physics. Because I know the rules of physics enough, I must believe in a supernatural entity that can cause these miracles to happen or else I must doubt everything we know about science. Creation is an easy way out for understanding the universe so I am in favor of looking for a physics-based explanation of matter. Atheists NEED the big bang and a finite beginning of the universe to disprove God. Those that believe in a creator don't care one way or the other because they can always say the big bang was just God's method of creation or without a big bang event can say the universe is just as eternal as God is. The more I know about physics and biology and anatomy, the more convinced I am that those miracles I witnessed are truly the work of a being allowed to break the rules of physics... likely because as a creator of those laws of physics, God can mess with them at will. Is this God some loving being or some cold force? Maybe a bit of both but we cannot understand the thoughts of a being who is NOT the beings God created. The will and purpose of God is unknowable as much as we can expect a pet mouse to understand how I make money to pay for the utilities of the house it lives in. We are completely out of the loop in that regards so trying to define God is a stupid activity and a waste of time. Discovering the finer details of physics on the other hand can make life so much better for so many people that it is Godly to embrace science.

Very good, Ann!!! :clap: =D> :clap: =D> :angel:


So Johhny electriglide is masquerading as anne vole iowanic.

And surely not Wayne Stollings? He's in the electorate and all that!

I've got his phone number I'll give him a call tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: science or religion
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:20 pm 
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mothy wrote:
So Johhny electriglide is masquerading as anne vole iowanic.

And surely not Wayne Stollings? He's in the electorate and all that!

I sure hope not. all four above-mentioned regulars are very different people in all aspects (religion, politics, interests, fixations, skills) and I think we all live quite far apart.


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