Ann Vole wrote:
I think someone has completely missed the point I was trying to make: the suffering of animals I was referring to was not the seals, the stray cats, or the humans but rather the animals who are negatively affected by those three species. I am trying to point out that the most effective way to help the most amount of individual animals to live a happy healthy life is to give them somewhere to live that is not decimated by invasive animals out to kill them (including humans... a naked ape that was never meant to live outside some tropic jungle but here we are in every habitat destroying homes of all other species).
Intelligence, emotion, logic, belief, faith ,evidence, experience. Some overlap some can be scrutinised in its raw form depending upon what part of reality it is pertaining to. The brain is an intrinsic and complex phenomenon and with all these external and internal manifestations of the brain coinciding with the intellect and emotive aspect they will result in a multitude of conclusions, ideas and thoughts. Yes Anne Vole, watchout out for the wise owl! We are the biggest killer and parasite on the planet.
What I don't understand is why do those who have a bigger awareness from those in general bring in the plant issue when it is obvious plants have an inferior pain threshold to animals?
And they are the meateaters! You would think if they are aware of the plants then they would think twice about eating animals? Just another anomaly in their reasoning.
And when my cats were dying of poison their screeches were as penetrating as a human that was stabbed.
The question is not can they reason nor can they talk but can they suffer?
Meateaters are not the sort of people I would like to meet in times of war.
And why show a clip on youtube about a lion killing cubs? Are you going down to their level or bringing them upto your ideals in order to justify them? Infanticide has existed throughout the years and is deemed a monstrous act. What was the point ?
They are many conflicts going on, one of the more subtle ones which is more poignant to the supposed civilised west is that of Omnivore versus vegetarian.
Arrogance, pedantry and dogmatism. The occupational diseases of those who spend their lives asserting that which is inconclusive.
Isn't pure altruism the closest we can become to God?