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Over the past few months, America's social safety net -- also known as its "entitlement" programs -- has gotten a tough rap. Republican presidential candidates and congressmen have decried its cost, its supposed infantilization of the citizenry, and its long-term effect on the American dream.

Yes, this collection of programs and services has been described as "a dime bag" of drugs that will "hook" users, a threat to America's "merit-based society," and a socialist tool that will steal "America's soul." And the people who accept money from these programs? They are "passive," "lazy," "slothful," and are "systematically destroying" America's work ethic.

Viewed in these stark terms, entitlements seem terrifying -- but when you look at who is actually receiving them, the picture changes rapidly.

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There are other entitlement programs costing a bundle not addressed. Like bloated government pay and retirement benefits. The Golden parachutes of our congressmen, and average government pay from 35% to double civilian counterparts. Then there are the statistics that 40% of blacks depend on some government money. Illegals getting Medicaid and food stamps, people on disability who aren't disabled except for being obese or obesity related. People on disability who didn't work many years, few, or none. Military disability given out to non-combat unit people, or minimal combat. It ruins it for those that saw a lot of combat and were hurt in combat. PTSD is given for people who, on just their word alone, were under combat stress just once. It used to be you had to have a combat MOS, had documented cases of combat, at least 50 heavy combat experiences, and a medal for bravery or being wounded(which could have been just stupidity). This type of fraud and pay raises not approved by the people is common with people getting government money (either as pay, retirement, or disability), and is one big reason why the National Debt is 15 trillion. In addition to taking out social security individual accounts and putting them in the general spending fund, by LBJ and Ted Kennedy. Our congressmen and other retired politicos get luxury medical benefits which cost a lot.
When I mentioned cutting government pay to my Republican congressman's office to reduce government spending back in 1994, it was looked at as some joke. The Dems are even worse!!

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I read the article and its full of bovine excrement. Since when is Social Security and Medicare, that the american taxpayer paid into considered an entitlement??? I've been taxed over $250,000 in my lifetime for those two programs and calling it an entitlement is an affront.

Now, there are certainly abuses in these programs, as Johnny mentioned where someone who has a bull crap condition, such as Agraphobia(fear of leaving your house) qualifies for disability payments. I was watching some judge show where someone with this condition was being sued, and the judge asked what she did for a living and she answered she was getting disability for agraphobia. It was funny as hell because the judge asked how in the hell could she have showed up for the show if she had that! And yes, people who do not take care of their health, get morbidly obese, and then qualify for disbility? Something wrong with this picture!

Welfare and food stamps, now those are entitlements and there is widespread abuse in those programs also. Instead of paying some woman to raise and feed a kid, who she either does not know the daddy, or refuses to disclose, and then allows her to have another, and yet another, all with different or unknown fathers, is insane!

I would definitely call this woman slothful, and a slacker:


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What I find amusing is the number of staunch conservatives I have known over the years who railed against the entitlements and the abuses therein ..... right up to the point they, their children, grandchildren, or other close relative qualified for a benefit and then they just signed up and railed against the other entitlements and the abuses ... not including their own, of course.

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Well, yeah, you're right, I do think that I am entitled to money involuntarily contributed by myself and my employers. And, that figure does include the amounts my employer contributed, by force.

And I do have a problem with those monies being used for people who are clearly scamming the system, which is more prevalent than your article implies.

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Oh, lets not leave out a real biggy, the amount of fraud, not on the recipients end, but on the biller's end, concerning medicare fraud.

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It is an affront that with all the money you have put in, Fosgate, all you will be entitled to get is around 2K/mo, unless you make too much from other sources, then they will keep it. The spending of what was originally supposed to be individual interest bearing accounts is what started the growth only unsustainable economy.
Still, the question of bloated government pay and benes is not addressed. From 80K/yr. congressional secretaries to congressional Golden Parachutes to military pay 6+ times what it was in 68-70 for combat CW2s. The official inflation rate was 3-4% max/yr.
In essence, every election cycle brings promises of even more gov't pay raises, effectively vote buying. Then they give themselves raises, to the point of making far more in retirement than when working.
Fraud in the system must be gotten rid of, but it is small compared to gov't overpay. I would like to see that rectified and a return of the draft with no one escaping, and not all just for the military at low buck like it was. Infrastructure repairs/improvements, and those congressional secretaries could be done by low buck draftees.
Enforcement of our immigration laws, too. Enough fines are owed, many by gov't employees, for felony violation of Title8USC1324 and by illegals for Title8USC1324 plus phony ID felonies, littering the border, trespassing and destruction of National Parks/Forests, to pay off the entire National Debt many times over. But no Republicans or Democrats have done much to get those monies, or to reduce spending in the form of excessive gov't pay.

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