Wayne Stollings wrote:
But the "ban" in the UK was for within the UK since that was the license portion, which did not prevent the testing elsewhere to support the products.
I didn't claim otherwise. The fact remains that testing cosmetics on animal within the UK is banned. And in 2013 all cosmetics sold and produced in the UK will be animal cruelty free. Did you read the links I provided?
Yes, but I missed the part where the sold cosmetics will be "animal cruelty free" and the definition of what "animal cruelty free" will be. I also read the portions questioning whether the 2013 deadline can and will be met.
You mean the license to perfome the tests within the UK? The tests of ingredients may be performed elsewhere or they may never include new ingredients unless they have been tested in some fashion elsewhere.
Yes we know all this but it doesn't change the fact that testing cosmetics on animals in the UK is banned.
Yes, not testing in the UK does not mean the products are not tested as you implied.
But not testing FOR the UK ..... moving the testing off shore is not a "win" since the testing then does not have to meet the strict requirements previously employed
Yes as we have stated contracts can be sent over seas, but that will change in 2013.
Maybe, that is still in question according to even your links.
Can you tell me what company contracts abroad or are you just guessing? Some will but you can't be sure can you?
They do not have to contract abroad at all. All they have to do is require the ingredients be certified safe for human usage, which will require some animal testing at some point. Something as simple as a toxicity test will ensure that.
Possibly, there are indications the safety issues may prevent the implimentation of this if there are no alternative test methods. The liability issues would be huge.
As stated by the EU parliament all testing will end in 2013 regardless if a replacement is found or not. I did provede a link stating this.
Yes, and you provided other links which indicated the "regardless" aspect might not be something which can be ignored. The safety concerns will have to be addressed and without tests someone will have to become liable for any injuries resulting from untested products. The EU Parliment may not hold fast to the ban without alternatives.
Will is not the same as has been .... there has been no total ban of animal testing for cosmetic products yet and may never be,
Yes there has been a total ban on testing cosmetics on animals in the UK since 1997/1998 and 2004 in the EU as we have established and the final implementation IS nailed on but the cosmetic industry have asked for it to be delayed. Even though the EU are obliged to look into the application they state that they are on target for the 2013 final implantation. So your " may never be" is a yes it's going to happen.
Not according to the links you provided.
The medical usage will then not be tested or there will be some legislation to separate the usage after testing? That seems to be an unlikely option.
Botox as a cosmetic will not be allowed for sale or use in the UK if it has been tested on animals under the medical testing loophole, it will be closed.
How will the usage be determined? If a medical Botox is purchased and the medical treatment has cosmetic implications how will it be handled?
Even that article indicated the 2013 deadline was questionable. Also the expected ban may not be as you expect, since there are safety issues which come into play. I am not aware of the English laws, but the ban of products which have been tested on animals would create a level of liability for the company selling untested products in the US as they would impose the prohibition against testing on the manufacturer and then sell the product to an unprotected consumer.
Questionable..? On target according the the EU parliament.
"Plans for a total EU-wide ban from 2013 on the sale of cosmetics tested on animals are still on track, the European Commission insisted today.
Yes, that is exactly what your link indicated 7:00AM BST 18 Jul 2011
after the link stating they were "on track" Tuesday 18 January 2011
Brussels has been accused of caving in to cosmetics industry pressure for a five-year postponement in introducing the ban."http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 87590.html
The USA have no say in this at all. If you would have read the links you would have better understood what's going to happen.
I doubt if the US cares what the UK or EU does with the animal testing since it will not be any impact other than making the US one of the countries in which new cosmetics will be introduced under the US safety requirements. After they are proven in the US the UK and EU can then use them and claim them to be cruelty free ....
It helps if one knows what is being discussed.
I do, but you seem to have been slightily off in several areas.