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Australia used to be a lush jungle and also used to be connected with Antarctica which was also a lush jungle. Moving south messed up the Antarctica side of course, melting glaciers added enough water to turn the big continent into separate islands of Antarctica, Australia, New Guinea, Tasmania, New Zealand and such. One thing that is missing in the animals of Australia is small burrowing animals like ground squirrels (called gophers here in Canada). Australia still has some mole-like marsupials and the giant-sized burrowing wombat but no common squirrel-sized burrowing animal. I figure that deserts are created mostly from ground water levels dropping far enough to not be keeping the ground moist enough for trees. Once the trees are gone, the land gets full sun and dries up fast. The trees also create the humid air to make new clouds that move further inland to keep that ocean-sourced water moving across the continent they are passing over. Only a couple hundred years ago, Argentina (south-east part of South America) used to have much more rain forest like the Amazon basin has but farmers cleared the land to grow crops. Very quickly the land dried up enough to only support cattle and sheep grazing. Now it is even too dry for that in many places. I propose that small burrowing animals in high numbers are needed to keep the water table high by letting rain water soak into the ground. Beavers can also help keep the water from flowing away or the land can be flat like the Amazon basin making water flow slowly and flooding the land often for months. The biggest change that people fear from global warming is sea level rising and flooding 95% of the world's urban areas. The second fear is crop land drying up. Wet soil holds a lot of water so it might be a convenient arrangement to reclaim deserts by raising the water table using beaver-like dams and encouraging ground squirrels and similar animals in grass lands that are too dry for big trees.


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95% of the population lives within 20 feet of sea level and they won't move? The population will crash that much well before the ocean level rises that much anyway. Of course you have the usual idiot denialists of AGW, and overpopulation, for that matter.
Being well on course toward a 6*C temperature rise unless drastic measures are taken VERY quickly, it is assured that the tipping point of tundra methane self release we were reported AT in 2009, will be well passed and nothing will stop a similar event, quicker by far, than the thermal maximum of approximately 55 million years ago. If it gets that far from lack of doing anything, then most species will go extinct. With something so threatening, you would think that discretion would be to reduce emissions the 90% recommended by 2020. Then you have the greed of corporate fossil fuel sellers and users, and their minions, the snow eater denialists, preventing enough change in time.
Denialists tend to disregard the sensitivity of tundra methane release, or look at the sensitivity to minor warming for oceanic methane hydrate deposits, which tend toward explosive release at +1*C or by mechanical action like attempted mining or seismic events.
Of course, the methane turns to CO2 and water vapor after 15 years, with the CO2 continuing the heat trapping effect to a lesser extent and the water vapor with a slight positive heat trapping effect.
There are those who think we will be OK with a 50% drop in CO2 emissions from 1990 levels by 2050 (when the population will be crashing or close to it). They think it will hold AGW to 2*C, and also disregard the sensitivity of the tundra methane tipping point, and the heat increase concentrating at the north polar regions more than anywhere else (although the increase will have profound effects on the Antarctic, too).
Canada may benefit temporarily, with a greater growing area and longer growing season, but, personally, I think all denialists should be rounded up and sent to "disintegration booths". :lol: =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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It isn't "my view". It is the view of 97% of climate scientists. >>>>It is well documented that we are going in the direction of the worse than worst case scenario with AGW, and it is accelerating.<<<<* Eventually, even people like you will see and feel it, but by then it will be too late to stop the worst case scenario. >>>Tipping points we are at now will be well passed, thanks to inaction caused by the efforts of denier cultists<<<* like you.<<** REPORT TO YOUR LOCAL DISINTEGRATION BOOTH, NOW!!! :x :twisted: [-X =;

*from 2009 reports that got lost on this site, but certainly snow can google.
Is the request to report a threat?? How can it be when it requires your action to go to a fictitious place?? Too young for Star Trek, the original series, obviously.
**like you, meaning your reputation for being a denialist of CAGW by others, and what posts I have seen of yours.

Are there emotions or feelings involved with me? Of course, I dislike all who are causing delays in reducing pollution including CO2, delays in stopping depletion of resources, and those causing the destruction of our biosphere. [-X =;

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I am not an anti-environmentalist but rather I take my views even further then most environmentalists and want to stop all farming too for the sake of the wildlife. The difference is I am also a realist looking for solutions that ***I*** can implement. What I can do is develop ways to be self sufficient and teach them to the 3rd world where they have not been sucked into the industrialized world's consumerism form of slavery. What I cannot do is change the current society or the resulting weather changes and any future disaster that may result. I do not deny that things are getting hotter and that it is likely close to 100% our fault but as I said, I cannot do any thing about that other then prepare for the results. Beaver dams and gopher holes might just be the best band-aid for the mortal wound on this planet.


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Ann, I don't think he was referring to you. 8)

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