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What is it about overpopulation that makes the most dedicated environmental saver of the planet avoid it like the plague? Here is an article in common dreams dedicated to planetary salvation with a host of passionate dedicated planet savers offering commentary and not one of them mentions overpopulation, the obvious center piece of the problem. What gives?


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Methinks it's preety simple: it calls for changes in behavior some just don't want a part of.


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Maybe the thought of some type of eugenics following behind?

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Human evolution that was a natural trend toward higher intelligence, greater strength, and better looks, has been reversed by human intervention. Basically, people just don't get the math or understand the consequences of their over-breeding behavior. On average, humans are stupid mammals. The main people not over-breeding for the overshoot, are those with very high IQ, but they will get killed off with the rest of this failed species, along with most other species. They are like deer in the headlights of the freight train of collapse.
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The only acceptable way of reducing population is to educate people so they have an average of about 2 kids per family, any other method is quite horrific and/or Orwellian, enforced sterilization for example goes against 2000 years of religious and enlightenment thinking.


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At least Suzuki, the author of the article, has something relevant to say on the topic of overpopulation.


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I hardly come across anybody who is concerned about overpopulation who doesn't understand that a principal part of the solution has to be the rich giving up their hoggish ways. The billionaire who wants to lower population but doesn't understand that he is going to have to drastically lower his carbon foot print apparently just doesn't show up on these forums, but no doubt he is out there.

And yes lets educate poor women and give them access to medical care and family planning. And yes the rate of growth is slowing. These are the things I always hear and they are right as far as they go. But there really doesn't seem to be a serious road map to the future, simply nice sentiments about what could help mitigate the problems, not how to fire up sufficient commitment and resources to handle 200,000 new people being added to this planet each day. If population neatly follows its best deescalating rate of growth maybe we can top out at 8 billion folks by 2050. That's like a best case scenario. Think we can handle that? I don't. Too many ecosystems are playing out, too many vital resources are getting used up and too many societies are becoming more unstable.

It's hard to go after the rich when you can't get the poor on board. They seem to be more into scaling up than having the rich scale down. China and India are notable examples. Get rid of the top 20% who are gobbling up 80% of the resources and guess what, folks from the bottom 80% will in short order fill the positions of the raptured 20% and you are right back where you started.

So for me I refuse to play the game of environmentally sound equitable resource use versus dealing with population growth seriously. They both go hand in hand. Not attending directly to both is ultimately savaging the future.


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