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 Post subject: Animal Evolution
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:48 am 
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Alas, because of lack of spiritual development, there are millions of people on earth who do not realise that the spirit which animates them is the same one that animates all creatures who share the planet with them. They do not see them as spirits with earthly bodies, just as they are
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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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Man's Sacred Trust: 'Not to hurt our humble brethren is our first duty to them, but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission - to be of service to them wherever they require it'
- St Francis of Assisi

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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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So by what right do we kill them? By what right do we eat them? They were never introduced on to the Earth planet for this purpose, as every teacher from spirit will tell us. They were placed here for the purposes of their own evolution, as we were...

We owe it to ourselves to listen to that small still voice which whispers to us more and more insistently at a certain stage of our spiritual evolution. For as every cell in our bodies constantly renews itself, we are what we eat. Every cell partakes of the substance we give it.
In this way, when we do not consume flesh saturated with the coarser vibrations of the less evolved (to which fear and resentment, often terror, are all too often added) the whole body becomes a more refined vehicle.
As it is progressively filled with more light, the vibrations quicken, and we becone more psychically and spiritually receptive - and a more fitting temple for the unfolding and kindling of the Divinity within each one of us

- Peggy Mason (From 'New Age Companion')

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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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The Ute hunter would say a prayer for the deer, his brother, who sacrifices his life to feed the family of the hunter. He thinks of seven generations ahead, and makes sure there are enough other deer to keep their population going. The same with the fish he catches and other game he kills for food. He also thinks the same, or his wife, or child, when picking wild onions and other food from the land and forest. They do not take all of the pine nuts, but leave enough for healthy growth. They understand the interconnectedness of all life, plant and animal. They feel the spirit of the mighty oak and of the wolf, and even of the big mountain.
I, too, have felt this spiritual connection. I feel it daily, with all ultimately connected to God. [-o<

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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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Man was created to "walk with the angels" and to be "the sanctuary of love and justice", not to hurt and kill.

Life is all about evolution. To learn and to advance the soul, that's the meaning of life. That's why we're here.

Not so long ago it was generally accepted that black people had no souls and that it was perfectly alright to buy them, sell them, separate them from their families, brand them, flog them, work them to death in the fields, kill them with complete impunity of the law.
the slave traders even used passages from the Bible to justify and continue in their trade.
Today we know better and we look back on those days, quite rightly, with horror and disgust and we view them as one of the darkest chapters in human history.
In times to come we will view our abuse of the Animal Kingdom with the same horror and disgust and shame.

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"When the Earth is sick, the animals will begin to disappear, when that happens, The Warriors of the Rainbow will come to save them.”
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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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Nice ideas.

It might make you look a bit of a fruit loop if you repeat them in public.


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Nice ideas.

It might make you look a bit of a fruit loop if you repeat them in public.


I expect they said the same about the slavery abolitionists...

Ignorance, injustice, cruelty, false teaching - these things should be challenged and must be challenged.
Indeed, it is the only way humankind has advanced through the centuries.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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Tradition does not make it right!

'The thinking man must oppose all cruel customs no matter how deeply rooted in tradition and surrounded by a halo.
When we have a choice we must avoid bringing torment and injury into the life of another, even the lowliest creature; to do so is to renounce our manhood and shoulder a guilt which nothing justifies'
- Albert Schweitzer

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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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I have two problems with the Peggy Mason (From 'New Age Companion') quote and the thinking behind it. First is the concept of "less evolved" creatures. It is actually humans who are "less evolved." For animals with the ability to thrive without the benefits of intelligence, language, society, and opposable thumbs, they have other advantages in their body design and instincts. I see animals as just humans in non-human bodies. Our task as a species as far as evolution is concerned is simply to thrive... and we have done that well. If you want to add care-taker, you have to accept such a task from a "higher being" such as God of the Bible telling Adam and Noah to care for the planet (which they did in a meat-eater fashion). The other thing that bugs me about this quote is the heavy use of Biblical references with an anti-Biblical stance. This is a baited hook trying to catch the unwary and draw them into some Marxist ideals.


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Ann Vole wrote:
I have two problems with the Peggy Mason (From 'New Age Companion') quote and the thinking behind it. First is the concept of "less evolved" creatures. It is actually humans who are "less evolved." For animals with the ability to thrive without the benefits of intelligence, language, society, and opposable thumbs, they have other advantages in their body design and instincts. I see animals as just humans in non-human bodies. Our task as a species as far as evolution is concerned is simply to thrive... and we have done that well. If you want to add care-taker, you have to accept such a task from a "higher being" such as God of the Bible telling Adam and Noah to care for the planet (which they did in a meat-eater fashion). The other thing that bugs me about this quote is the heavy use of Biblical references with an anti-Biblical stance. This is a baited hook trying to catch the unwary and draw them into some Marxist ideals.


Dear Ann, you couldn't be more wrong!

All beings are ascending the spheres of light, and all beings are at different levels in the spheres of light.
An angel is more advanced than a man, a man is more advanced than a mouse, but angel, man or mouse, it's the same spirit of God within each of them. All life is one.

The Bible is a great book and there is much wisdom therein, but the Bible is the work of man and it has suffered considerable spurious interpolation and corruption...
In any case, if you read it, you'll see that in the so-called First Blessing God commanded man ...Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat' (Meat in ancient terminology meant food in general)
VEGAN! and the people lived to fantastic ages.
Jovinian tells us that meat-eating was unknown amonst the Israelites till the so-called Second Blessing when , due to their hardness of heart, Moses reluctantly permitted them to eat flesh (in the wake of the cataclysmic flood, there was a shortage of plant food). Though even then it was only permitted under a curse, albeit a self-inflicted one 'the blood of your lives shall I require'. Even then again, the partaking of animal fat and blood were forbidden. The lifespan collapsed to less than a tenth of what it had been. Hardly a meat-eater's charter!
Adam and Noah were vegans.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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All beings are ascending the spheres of light, and all beings are at different levels in the spheres of light.
An angel is more advanced than a man, a man is more advanced than a mouse, but angel, man or mouse, it's the same spirit of God within each of them. All life is one.


Do you have any evidence of this or are you just enjoying your own thoughts.

They are nice thoughts but might be better placed in a non science forum. This one has Ecology in it's title so tends to look more fatual than flouncy.


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 Post subject: Re: Animal Evolution
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Yer all a bunch of fruit loops!! This site is labeled Enviro not Eco. The Great Spirit is in all things to varying extents, not just the living.
IMHO, of course. :mrgreen:
Bless 'em all,
Bless 'em all.
The long and the short and the tall,

Bless all those Sergeants and WO1's,
Bless all those Corporals and their blinkin'/bleedin' sons,
Cos' we're saying goodbye to 'em all.
And back to their Billets they crawl,
You'll get no promotion this side of the ocean,
So cheer up my lads bless 'em all

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I cannot find a review of that book nor find a copy at local library systems but I think this is the same Peggy Mason:http://video.sciencemag.org/VideoLab/1310979895001/1


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Ann Vole wrote:
I cannot find a review of that book nor find a copy at local library systems but I think this is the same Peggy Mason:http://video.sciencemag.org/VideoLab/1310979895001/1


You think wrong, Ann Vole!

She was an author ( 'New Age Companion', 'Tales of Two Worlds' etc.) and accomplished journalist.
She was a great animal lover and vegetarian, long before it became fashionable.
She was a friend to many, including me.
She died about 15 years ago.

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