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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:50 am 
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http://coastalcare.org/2010/11/banglade ... evel-rise/

I found this one hopeful....


Note: there is a debate if the sediment from the moutains will off-set sea-rise erosion.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:02 am 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
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Oh, dear.
The big bad commies are back!!!! :shock:

You're serious about this, Tim? Really?
There just isn't any science produced by dozens of scientists in numerous reports over years of time supporting climate change?


The "consensus" expressed in the IPCC's report gives numbers which show there is nothing to panic about.


Do you have anything from any reputable scientist or scientific organization that supports this claim?


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Yes, the IPCC's 4th report where the figures for the worst case scenario are that by 2100 there could be a 6.4 degree temperature rise which at most would result in a 59cm sea level rise. The maximum figure for the temperature change has now been revised down to about 3 degrees c.

I am not at all worried by a less than 2 foot sea level rise. I think that no city will be overwhelmed by such a tiny problem particularly given the huge warning period.

The amount of effort being expended into different power sources will bear fruit soon. At least before 2100. So Solar or Fusion or cheap Fission or something else will result in us not digging up coal. CO2 is a non-problem.


You think there would be no problem with that particular issue, but that is not the statement made. What do the scientists and professionals say about the impacts of such a sea level rise? What of the impact on flora and fauna? Precipitation patterns? All of the other problems that are associated with the issue? I know what the insurance companies are doing and what the government of North Carolina is doing to try to keep the impact on coastal development from moving into the catastrophic realm.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:15 pm 
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Tim the Plumber wrote:
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[Even the most hard-core atheist has to recognize the power of beliefs to affect changes in society. If you want to change the world, get religions on your side

Credibility in science is not a requirement for the faith based people and the point was to get action not credibility. So far the use of science against itself has worked pretty well in preventing any significant action to mitigate the impacts. Religion might succeed in such a case since the people do not need facts to decide to act.


I can see why you like the idea;

Having tried to convice the world the there is a terrible doom awaiting us with scientific language and been robustly challenged by science types to the point of losing the argument you must find an alternative aproach to getting your control phantasy to rule over us all.



Big gov is comeing to get you, ho, ho, ha,ha he,he. They are going to take you away.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:42 am 
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You think there would be no problem with that particular issue, but that is not the statement made. What do the scientists and professionals say about the impacts of such a sea level rise? What of the impact on flora and fauna? Precipitation patterns? All of the other problems that are associated with the issue? I know what the insurance companies are doing and what the government of North Carolina is doing to try to keep the impact on coastal development from moving into the catastrophic realm.


How many cities do you think will be flooded by a less than 2 foot sea level rise they have a centuary to prepair for?

When the climate was warmer then now in the past the flora and fauna coped.

What catastrophy do you expect?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:19 am 
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If coping means some species(Perhaps major players in the eco-sphere) going extinct, then I'd say your statement is correct. Another possiblity is that 'coping'='S further spread of pests and ailment carriers......something history has shown could kill thousands.....
Surely, nothing to worry about, eh? :-s

As to this two foot rise in sea level, any number of cities will able to deal with it......and some that simply won't be able to. Not all cities have access to the monies to produce such walls...that's why a million-person city in the U.S or England looks different then a million-person city in Bangladesh or Indonesia.

In any case; how many levees has Bangladesh raised in defense from those Cyclones that kill so many every few years? Any?


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You think there would be no problem with that particular issue, but that is not the statement made. What do the scientists and professionals say about the impacts of such a sea level rise? What of the impact on flora and fauna? Precipitation patterns? All of the other problems that are associated with the issue? I know what the insurance companies are doing and what the government of North Carolina is doing to try to keep the impact on coastal development from moving into the catastrophic realm.


How many cities do you think will be flooded by a less than 2 foot sea level rise they have a centuary to prepair for?


All of them without the funds to do so effectively. Then discuss the towns, hamlets, and the rest of the population living on the shores and along the waterways of the world.

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When the climate was warmer then now in the past the flora and fauna coped.


Some did and a lot did not. We as a species were not here and not with the numbers we have now. The probability is there will be a lot of people who do not survive the changes.

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What catastrophy do you expect?


More extreme weather conditions, higher sea levels, more fires, more insect damage, lower regional food production randomly appearing, changing ranges for both flora and fauna, loss of flora and fauna species, and generally a bad time to be trying to figure out where to go and what to do.

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The hard part in all this is the waiting. THe


http://wearepatriot.com/blog/conservati ... ing-it-up/

Former Republican Congressman Bob Inglis (who was ousted by the Tea Party) is, as far as I can tell, a true climate hawk. Some of the best speeches I’ve seen on climate change have come from him. Unfortunately, he’s essentially been kicked out of Republican national-level politics as a result of this. But he’s doing all he can to allow more conservatives the space and freedom to educate themselves about global warming and climate change and stimulate action from that side of the aisle. After all, everyone is screwed if we don’t have water to drink, our houses are getting burned down, extremely large megastorms are tearing up our cities, and new diseases are wreaking havoc on society.



In its pre-announcement phase, E&EI has already sponsored a lecture by Art Laffer, President Reagan’s economics advisor, at the Owen Graduate School of Management at Vanderbilt University; convened a panel at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business; and, dispatched Inglis to speak to College Republicans, Federalist Societies and other student groups at the University of Michigan, Notre Dame University, University of Chicago, Columbia University Law School, NYU Law School, Duke University, MIT, Georgetown University, and UCLA Law School, among others.

Inglis has just completed a four-state road show, speaking to American Legion Boys and Girls State delegations in Nevada, Oregon, Kentucky and North Carolina about leadership, energy and free enterprise.

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Inglis was elected to the U.S. Congress in 1992, having never run for office before. He represented Greenville-Spartanburg, South Carolina, from 1993-1999, unsuccessfully challenged Democratic U.S. Senator Fritz Hollings in 1998, and won re-election to Congress in 2005, serving through 2010. His conservative record in Congress earned a 93 American Conservative Union rating, 100 percent with the Christian Coalition, 100 percent with National Right to Life, “A” with the National Rifle Association, and 0 percent with the Americans for Democratic Action.
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