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I'm not a big wine buff but the English wines I've tasted are very similar to German wines not icewines but . Some English wines are good, others are best described as interesting. What the quality of Roman wines were we can only guess at. I do know that they often mixed wine with water. With transport in the pre-modern age that much more difficult it might have been economic to make low quality wine in large amounts near the outposts of civilization. Wine that these days would struggle to find a market.

Personally I think to use English wine in an anti-global warming argument just displays ignorance.


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1 English vinyards have begun to spring up in places where the Romans had them since we have had warm climate recently and also (I expect) we have more hardy varieties now. The point is that the present climate's warmth is not hotter than the Roman period.

2 My point about the temperature data being corrected is that it seems there are some questions as to the degree of reliability of such data sets. The degree to which they agree with the origional "Hockey stick" data from tree rings seems to be in proportion to the degree of correcting they have undergone. I accept that it has got warmer. The first question is the degree and if this is exceptional.

The second question is; is this a problem?

The third is; to what degree is it going to continue to warm and will it cause a net problem?

Fourthly; What is the cost of trying to avoid it?

Personally I see no significat trouble coming from a slightly warmer world and a lot of benifits from increased rainfall and fertility.


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Simple point: The measured acceleration in temperature increase is unprecedented in the known climate history. It is the sharp and sustained rise which creates the hockey stick end and which is the concern.

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