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Notice how Tim is the one deciding how the IPCC is to be read?

I.E: he's the one claiming the changes are. in fact, not that big of deal....

But can he show us from said IPCC that this is their conclusion, as well?


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Do you have anything which shows that the IPCC has underestimated the probelm?

Do you have anything which shows how the degree of chance as described by the IPCC will cause significant trouble?


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I, as a citizen of a democracy, am intitled to hold my own views.

That I can justify these ideas from reported scientific numbers means that I am reasonably informed about the subject.

Because I am a plumber/builder by profession I am able to understand the amount of work that would be needed to add 2 feet to a sea defence or create a new 2 foot high sea defence. Although anyone who has ever watched a mechanical digger at work will have a fair idea.

It is not unreasonable for me to hold such views. That you are angry because I can sustain them in an interlectual argument is not my problem and suggests that you, deep down, know that your position of great worry about any extreem difficulties due to GW is not valid.


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^As you point out building coastal defences is mostly about anti-storm protection and such stroms can raise the sea level a lot.

Where we already spend money protecting the coast we will, if the sea level rises, need to spend more. A less than 2 feet rise will not cripple the world economy. It will cost less than we spend on trafic lights.


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The idea that all we need to do is build a few walls here and there to keep the sea out is crazy.
First of all the sea level prediction of around 2 ft by 2100 is a global average, due to weather effects and geological factors this figure will vary from zero to more than twice that.
The second point is that the sea level rise will not magically stop on the 1st January 2101 at this point sea level will be accelerating. The predictions for the following century start around an extra 4 ft and thats assuming we take some serious actions to prevent further GHGs emissions.


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