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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:20 pm 
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The nearly 1,000 government owned chimpanzees are currently housed in five U.S. laboratories. While most of them are not being used in active experiments, they have been kept confined in cages at the labs, sometimes for decades, on the misguided belief by a few scientists that they may be needed for some catastrophic research in the future.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:14 pm 
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"The legislation also corrects the pain and psychological damage that apes often experience as a result of needless experiments and solitary confinement. This bill would place these apes in sanctuaries, which would provide them with a more natural, comfortable habitat while saving taxpayer money."

"Chimpanzees are no longer needed for research, yet we remain the only country besides Gabon to continue holding these animals in laboratories as possible subjects for invasive research," said Sen. Sanders. "I believe it is time to release these animals from the laboratories where they are currently housed and allow them to live in humane sanctuaries – a move that would create a sizeable savings to taxpayers."

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If the costs outweigh the benefits of keeping them, so be it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:30 am 
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Why is this a political decision?

If the lab has chimps it wants for experimental purposes it will need to find the money to house them. If they are not needed then the accounts department will ask what they are doing with them?

Scientists are generally a decent bunch, particularly those in the bio-science fields. If there are chimps being used to further the knowleg of say Altzimer's disease(sorry about my speeelling) then the staff will do what is needed to get that information, sod the chimps. But if they are not needed then the scientists are as soppy as the rest of us and would not keep these animals in poor conditions just for the sake of it.


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Tim the Plumber wrote:
Why is this a political decision?



Because the government has to decide what to do with their chimps.

The nearly 1,000 government owned chimpanzees are currently housed in five U.S. laboratories.

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If the lab has chimps it wants for experimental purposes it will need to find the money to house them. If they are not needed then the accounts department will ask what they are doing with them?


But they are not owned by the lab, they are owned by the government.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:51 am 
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You have a strange way of organising science in your country.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:29 am 
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Tim the Plumber wrote:
You have a strange way of organising science in your country.


You mean because at one point the government bought chimps for government funded research being undertaken?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:40 am 
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Because the central government has direct ownership of laboritory animals rather than the various research organisations having their own stock with independant companies providing additional supply capacity.

It's a privatisation thing. That is the way it's structured here. It might have been different before Thacher.

It avoids polititians having to make decisions about how many chimps or mice to have as lab animals. Leave that sort of thing to the universities or pharmasuticle companies that want them.


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Tim the Plumber wrote:
Because the central government has direct ownership of laboritory animals rather than the various research organisations having their own stock with independant companies providing additional supply capacity.

It's a privatisation thing. That is the way it's structured here. It might have been different before Thacher.

It avoids polititians having to make decisions about how many chimps or mice to have as lab animals. Leave that sort of thing to the universities or pharmasuticle companies that want them.


The government does not own all of the lab animals, just these ~1000 chimps. Other labs can decide what levels they need.

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Tim the Plumber wrote:
Because the central government has direct ownership of laboritory animals rather than the various research organisations having their own stock with independant companies providing additional supply capacity.

It's a privatisation thing. That is the way it's structured here. It might have been different before Thacher.

It avoids polititians having to make decisions about how many chimps or mice to have as lab animals. Leave that sort of thing to the universities or pharmasuticle companies that want them.


The UK don't test on chimps :-k


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:36 am 
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The UK don't test on chimps :-k


Are you sure?

I was under the impression that if a scientist wanted to use a specific animal for a medical experiment then provided the ethics committee agreed that it was apropriate and the budget was there he could do so without being restricted by blancket banns from central government.


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Tim the Plumber wrote:
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The UK don't test on chimps :-k


Are you sure?

I was under the impression that if a scientist wanted to use a specific animal for a medical experiment then provided the ethics committee agreed that it was apropriate and the budget was there he could do so without being restricted by blancket banns from central government.



Yes I'm sure, you need to drag yourself into the 21st century.

"Research on great apes - chimpanzees, gorillas, bonobos and orang utans - was banned in the UK in 1998"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/ ... s.research


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tommee wrote:
Tim the Plumber wrote:
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The UK don't test on chimps :-k


Are you sure?

I was under the impression that if a scientist wanted to use a specific animal for a medical experiment then provided the ethics committee agreed that it was apropriate and the budget was there he could do so without being restricted by blancket banns from central government.



Yes I'm sure, you need to drag yourself into the 21st century.

"Research on great apes - chimpanzees, gorillas, bonobos and orang utans - was banned in the UK in 1998"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/ ... s.research



Yes, they are outsourcing that research. :mrgreen:

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Yes, they are outsourcing that research. :mrgreen:


Assumption.


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tommee wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:
Yes, they are outsourcing that research. :mrgreen:


Assumption.

this website lends a lot of support for that assumption

http://www.psgb.org/


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