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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:50 pm 
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http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/administrati ... eachfi.pdf

It appears Fire Island of New York may be just abandoned. How many billion is it worth before you throw in the towel?


http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/administrati ... ussslr.pdf


What will we try to keep and what will we let go of. A lot like triage. New York will make these decisions this century with two feet of sea level rise.


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From looking at Google earth there appears to be 7 houses there on the 2 islands combined.

If these 7 owners of (I guess) 7 holiday homes cannot afford or be bothered to pay for the work needed to protect their holiday homes from the shifting of the sands in the dynamic changing bay behind Long beach then the houses will be lost. I don't care.


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The computer I use for this sort of thing doesn't do pdf's so I have to work around.

The map has Fire island as a point between 2 small islands in the lagoon behind Long Beach. Can you give the latitude and lonmgitude of the location if it's different from this.

How can these houses be threatened by GW induced sea level rise when we have not had any of significance so far?


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http://www.islandbeachrealty.com/sales.html

This is the address of the realter for the local area.

The prices of these house seem to be what I expected.

The sort of people who can pay $1.6 millon for a 4 bed house will be the sort to get the local government to do the coastal protection work which they have heard is needed by using the press to do the campaigning for them rather than just have a collection and hire a digger.

I don't care if some rich prople have to sort out a bit of work on some sea defences.


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OK, for those who have never been to the sea side;

The sea ward side of the sand bar on which these houses have been built is higher than the rest because it is being built up by the action of waves lifting sand from the beach into the air which is then deposited higher up the beach forming dunes. The process has resulted in the creation of the sand bar and enclosed the lagoon behind it.

The land is very close to sea level as you say 4 foot is about the highest point.

That is 4 foot above the tide line.

So if you took a digger and dug sand from the low tide point and piled it up at the back of the beach above the high tide point you would hasten the process of beach and dune creation.

This would leave the place vunerable to the ocean having a storm which blew the wrong way and washed out lots of the beach.

To avoid this problem installing groynes perpendicular to the beach to trap the sand and possibly having a rock or concrete or metal wall within the newly created coastal defense may well be worth wile especially considering the high value of the properties on this exclusive location.

However I don't think that the public purse would need to be opened since the rich owners of these houses can sort this out themselves or at least pay the premium for living there, (oops sorry they don't live there these are second homes) or at least owning such high status beachfront prperty.


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Argh!!

When you dig up material to form a sea dense you generally use the stuff from the low tide mark and take uip the beach to the high tide mark. The same beach!!!!

Fire island is of course an island. The lagoon behind is connected to the open ocean. Japan's Inland sea is also connected to the open ocean at many points.

If you wanted to get advanced about bringing in material to build big sea defenses then the use of dregers which currently drop their load out at sea could be one solution if they dumped their loads as close to the site as possible at high tide which would allow the diggers to shift it up the beach at low tide.

You could use large rocks or concrete blocks fot the delux version.

The perminent residents of these houses will have to find other maid's jobs if they are abandoned. Although I cannot imagine why the would be given the very high demand for them.


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beach front property is expensive because of the view. No protection beyond insurance will be enacted and they will be washed away eventually during storms. The area will lose their tax base and insurance rates for beach-front property will go up. It may not look like a cost but the insurance industry will recover the costs from everyone that buys insurance which is a direct hit to the GDP. The tax base hit will be replaced with higher taxes for everyone else... again hitting the GDP. It does not matter how rich the land owners are, it is going to hurt the economy even if indirectly. We will get over it OR the economy will collapse. Chances are that the total hit to the GDP will be greater then the cost of the property that will no longer be used.


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