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And you are the one who posts what? Conservation research?

Yes, the ban includes vivisection, but that does not in any way explain you leap to mention it and claimin git was already mentioned.

The ban did not prevent the use of chimps in other areas of the world to be used in research by UK entities. That is why the clinical trials for the Hep C vaccine in the the UK (paper referenced)relied on the chimps elsewhere as the initial model (paper referenced) for testing.

Thus the "ban" was just to move the research elsewhere and use it once it was available.

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What did you mean when you berated us for pointing out vivsection was not mentioned?

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I mention research and you go off on vivisection, so either you were incapable of understanding what was being discussed or you were equating research with vivsection. In either case it is your error to fix.

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What is wrong with that? It seems better than the unrelated ramblings and quasi-personal attacks you have posted.

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So you did not mean to say what it seems you were saying?

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Oh dear what an idiot you really are, typical yank. You think you can spin posts around but I just can't be bothered if you are incapable of following a topic.

I can certainly produce links that support Altzimer's uses vivisection as part of their studies, same for medical research. The ban takes in a whole range of research, all the same vivisection is part and parcel of the ban. If you are too stupid to understand this then there is no hope for you.

So stop with this pathetic line of enquiry.

"So he and his colleagues set out to boost HCV-specific T cells using a "recombinant adenoviral vector strategy" in human volunteers. In total, 41 healthy adults took part in the study."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_DNA



Cherry pick from a study we have no access to all you want.

They didn't use chimps

It seems you are too confused to understand what is going on. You brought up the subject of vivisection out of some attempt to deflect the discussion and then tried to dodge when called on it by the nonsensical post that sounded as if you were connecting the two.



That is all well and good but neither ONLY uses vivisection so the connection is nothing to anyone but yourself in you confused state.



I am not so stupid as to be fooled by your poor attempts at defelction. You brought up vivisection, no other poster mentioned it. There was never a question that the ban prevented the use of vivisection in higher primates in the UK except in your addled replies.



When you stop making pathetic attempts to mislead it will not be necessary to refute them and we all will be happier, I am sure.

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You have no access to it after I gave the link to the information and you quoted from it?



No, they did not use chimps, but you seem to be the only person without the sufficient number of brain cells to understand that was never stated. What you fail to comprehend is that clinical study on humans is the stage AFTER the testing on chimps was performed. You know, one of those tests outsourced that you wanted information on? Maybe I should follow your advise I just can't be bothered if you are incapable of following a topic.

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Is that so?

"The investigators therefore tested rare human adenoviruses, against which most people would not have antibodies, but these proved to be "far less potent" than Ad5 as vaccine vectors. Next, they looked at more than 1000 chimpanzee adenovirus strains to determine if they would be neutralized by human antibodies and able to grow in human laboratory cell lines. The potency of chimpanzee adenovirus vectors varied widely in mice, and a subset were found to be safe and potent in Phase 1 human clinical trials."

http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/hepatiti ... ical-trial



You are a waste of time, you argue on something you haven't even fully read up on

"The terms animal testing, animal experimentation, animal research, in vivo testing, and vivisection have similar denotations but different connotations. Literally, "vivisection" means the "cutting up" of a living animal, and historically referred only to experiments that involved the dissection of live animals. The term is occasionally used to refer pejoratively to any experiment using living animals; for example, the Encyclopædia Britannica defines "vivisection" as: "Operation on a living animal for experimental rather than healing purposes; more broadly, all experimentation on live animals",[10] although dictionaries point out that the broader definition is "used only by people who are opposed to such work".[11] The word has a negative connotation, implying torture, suffering, and death.[12] The word "vivisection" is preferred by those opposed to this research, whereas scientists typically use the term "animal experimentation".[13][14]
History"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing#Definitions

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110608/ ... 1.356.html

Researchers have produced the first mouse model with a functional immune system that is susceptible to infection by the hepatitis C virus — by getting it to express two human genes.


interesting read

The use of chimps is very expensive so the testing of more than a thousand strains would have been done on mice just because it is more cost effective. That is not an indication of a complete timeline of the development and does not address why the same type viral study performed on chimps was published just a year before the clinical trial.

The chimp study was performed for a reason and such a specific study would not have been performed by any other research group by accident.

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Wikipedia is such an unimpeachable source, but it does point out why you tried to use the term. Do you know what "pejoratively" means? That is why you used it.

Hint:

Definition of PEJORATIVE
: a word or phrase that has negative connotations or that is intended to disparage or belittle : a pejorative word or phrase

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