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Maybe they will be helpful in the next research since they would not have been available for the one being discussed.

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No connection between the two studies other than they studied the same subject. As you are well aware, different baddies from all over the world are in a "race" to develop these vaccines.

"A key feature of the study, is that the Oxford researchers, with colleagues from an Italian biotech company and the University of Birmingham in the UK, departed from a traditional approach and went in a new direction."
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/239982.php

This was an European group doing their own studies.

"Another team in the US also looking to conduct a larger trial in an at-risk population to see if the vaccine can protect against HCV infection."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/239982.php

You have not provided a link between the two because there is no link, two different studies from two different groups..

No need for either mice or chimps, not in the UK since they have tested the potency on mice and went to the human model in clinical trials. Chimps are not needed, science has moved on in this respect. Only people wanting to keep the chimp model going are them who still use them for testing, USA and Gabon...

Yes I do, do you know what occasionally means?
Do you know what broader definition means?
Literal even?

The link itself uses the term invasive.

"An invasive procedure is one which penetrates or breaks the skin or enters a body cavity. Examples of invasive procedures include those that involve perforation, an incision, a catheterization, or other entry into the body. Surgery is a typical medical invasive procedure. An open surgery means cutting skin and tissues so the surgeon has a direct access to the structures or organs involved. The structures and tissues involved can be seen and touched, and they are directly exposed to the air of the operating room. Examples of open surgery include the removal of organs, such as the gallbladder (though cholecsytectomy is now mostly done laproscopically) or kidney, and most types of cardiac surgery and neurosurgery. Open surgery involves large incisions, in which the tissues are exposed to the air."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_%28medical%29

vivisection..

A new direction that just happened to be the SAME new direction of the research involving chimps? The odds of that happening are extraordinarily high.



The European trial is connected to the others unless EVERYONE is departing "from a traditional approach and went in a new direction" together.



Two different PUBLICATIONS by two different groups on the SAME research and research that is a new and non-traditional direction which makes it very, very unlikely to not be connected.

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Assuming the trials continue to prove postive, which is still an uncertainity.



For European contracts, but whay let the truth ruin a good spin.

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Taking blood is invasive, but not vivisection. Giving an injection is invasive, but not vivisection. vivisection is invasive, but invasive is not vivisection. A simple logical fallacy on your part. Ignorance is offset by education.

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Yes, it means something that does not happen all of the time. In this application it means that when someone like yourself uses it incorrectly, as opposed to when someone like myself uses it correctly, thus it is not always used in that fashion.



Yes, an expanded definition from the scientific use, which is why it is not listed as such in the medical dictionaries.



Yes, an exact meaning as opposed to the broader definition.

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"Sharon Seltzer is one of the founders of the animal rescue group, Heaven Can Wait Animal Society, where they focus on aggressive spay/neuter programs and adoption of homeless pets. She and her husband share their home with three rescued dogs and three semi-feral cats."

The article author

That makes a difference how? Do you suppose they call spay/neuter vivisection because it is invasive? Do you suppose they call the vaccinations vivisection because it is invasive? I hope not, but again ignorance is cured by education.

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I can safely say she was referring to vivisection when writing invasive. I suppose you would like a copy of the email?

No you are wrong again. UK scientists test the potency (safety) then test their vaccine in HUMAN subjects not chimps, so no need for modified mice..

Will be interesting to see what happens in the USA however.



Well no, for every country except the USA because they are now they only country in the world that test on chimps, fact

No, I don't need to know her level of ignorance/misrepresentation as it really does not matter.

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Are you for real?

"A key feature of the study, is that the Oxford researchers, with colleagues from an Italian biotech company and the University of Birmingham in the UK, departed from a traditional approach and went in a new direction.

The reason they went a different way is because of another feature of HCV: it is always changing its make up, in that respect it is similar to HIV. This makes it difficult to pick a target that will be there for some time and make an effective building block for a vaccine.

So the researchers turned to a new idea: they picked a target in the virus that is less likely to change: an internal part, rather than the more traditional approach of picking something on the surface of the virus. "

No collaboration, not even a mention in the study, unusual don't you think?




Why is their study connected, funding, joint research? You would have though the Canadian researcher at least got a mention for a part in it, wouldn't you?

The studies are separate from each other, different groups of people in the race for the hep c vaccine. They aren't the only ones either.




Is that right? I would love to see you show the link.