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Spot, the data from ANDRILL is well within the natural cycle at our current time and I have put my questions 3 times about this. GWers like yourself seem to think a sea ice free arctic and antarctic is a bad thing, OK so a few polar bears may die in accordance with natural selection as they have evolved to a specialised habitat but this in no way shows we are responsible (edit* for the release of CO2 and its affect on the climate) because the current data does not fit the facts of even the last few thousand years, let alone the last interglacial.

They cannot tax sunlight (yet) so they are taxing the next best thing carbon, now we should stop polluting and change our ways to live with the environment (something a few on this site would actually not want to do) but as resources run out they need to make money from something and to suppress 3/4 of the planet with something as ridiculous as a carbon tax while the other 1/4 carry on with their comfortable lifestyle is not on.


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I hear GW is within the natural cycle or all caused by the sun from denialists like you. It has all been previously debunked.
You are getting a little emotional with your bait and switch and name calling. I have also seen this too much.
Andrill isn't the first or only Antarctic core drilling that has happened. They admit large areas of missing data, and that their purpose is to see what an ice free Antarctic was like. The 1992 book from 34 scientists in 18 disciplines and their analysis of 650K years of ice and sediment core data is still valid today, and their forecasts are happening even faster. Same year Teller wrote his last book.
People like you, snow, and others keep blasting away at doing enough to stop tipping points from being crossed, while others call the AGW ignorant right wingers and other garbage.
That is why I don't believe enough will ever be done in time to prevent thermageddon and its ELE completion. People cite one trick pony studies or other previously debunked and rehashed and debunked anti-CAGW garbage, ad nauseum. Just like the infinite Earthers denied overpopulation until the crash is a mathematical certainty.
You denialists guarantee that your own species and near 90% of others go extinct, and do it without a sense of guilt. Amazing. Sad but true. Rabid selfish greed? Maybe. Rabid, for sure. Criminal? Probably, at least to our Creator.

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Johnny, they admit to missing data because at depth in the sediment core there are times when the ice touched the ground at the spot they are drilling into the sea bed under the sea ice, so those gaps are because the ice scoured that sediment out of existence as it did what ice at that volume does best.

What it also shows is that there were times when the ice sheet on the land receded due to the change in composition of the sediment and the diotoms that populated the warmer seas.

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AND-2A Core, ANDRILL Southern McMurdo Sound Project,
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Have a look at that paper and you will see the sediment layers, species abundance and spread, and while they do not display the data for the top few metres, in the other papers I have cited before they claim they have studied it, even to as recently as the last 1,000 years because they can see the MWP and LIA, I have emailed them to ask for a copy of it, if they do I will post it to the thread.


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