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Williams was in charge of Montana Cannabis' Helena greenhouse, where federal agents confiscated 950 plants in March 2011. That operation was the biggest of the 26 large medical marijuana provider homes, offices and businesses raided that day across the state.

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Less than two weeks before the election, Obama’s administration seems to be dismantling their war on medicinal cannabis; as numerous legal battles start to favor common sense and freedom

Obviously, no one person can singlehandedly “win” the drug war; which vast legions of dedicated citizens have been fighting against for many decades. Yet, the trial of Chris Williams is poised to take center stage in the legal unraveling of this insane war on medical cannabis users and providers. It seems the idea of a candid, up front and honest business man doing almost ninety years in prison for supplying medicine in compliance with state law doesn’t even sit well with the prosecuting attorneys anymore.

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Personally, I think Chris should be immediately freed. The guy who was nuts to begin with and went even more nuts on pot was a very, very rare aberration. I have always thought pot should be legal and taxed like cigarettes and alcohol.
I no longer smoke or drink and haven't in a long time. I quit booze and pot in 1996, pot because it led me to rationalize and want to drink. I quit cigarettes, the worst addiction, in 2004. I think pot can cause cancer like cigarettes, if smoked as much. I think cigarettes are like a cancer causing opiate and more harmful than opiates in that respect. Booze is the most harmful of all. Yet, some people can take it or leave it and it is not a habit. Others get beer guts. It is a fact of history that prohibition did not work.
Legalization and taxing would give the country needed funds, as long as the legalized and taxed version was superior and cheaper than the "street" version. Then criminal incentives would disappear. Cigarettes which are too heavily taxed and the taxes do not go to helping people kick the habit enough and thus reducing the tax money, are still a source of criminal activity because of that too heavy a tax.
The tax on booze should also be going to treatment centers more than it is. They still advertize Sam Adams on TV, but that will kill you or ruin your life just as quick as the no longer advertized cigarettes, or even quicker. The amount of violence and crimes from people on alcohol is far greater that those on pot in any way of measuring. The health costs of alcohol and cigarettes are far higher than those of pot, in my opinion as a former user of all of them.
Legalize, tax and regulate all of them, and actually use the tax money for treatment and education. Computerize the system so that someone can not buy enough of any given drug to cause addiction, as an ideal (which would be difficult with instantly addictive stuff like crack and cigarettes, and the differential ability to get addicted between people). Include a lot of the ancient herbals that can help cure addictions, and do similar things as other more harmful ones, are legal and untaxed now.
Nothing is going to stop the desire of people to relax, make music sound even better, go on voyages from their own mind, relieve various pain, or experience euphoria. The need for more education is better than the need for more prison cells. All victimless crimes should be abolished, and of those crimes with victims, 3 time offenders have shown a very high recidivism rate and they have an average of three kids (two more than needed to help overpopulation), and half of them become criminals. The best thing to save tax money, in this ready to crumble from debt society, is to have a much higher execution rate of real criminals.
WS;"Compliance with a questionable state law is no defense for a clear violation of federal law." This should include Title8USC1324-5 and the fines that go with them, including to politicians. For example: Obama owes 150 billion, and so does Bush and Clinton. All staff at SPLC, the ACLU, and LaRaza, too. Governors, mayors and others of sanctuary states and cities, also in felony violation of Federal Law.
Perhaps, as time goes on, those that get addicted easier, and those that can be rehabilitated from doing crimes with victims, will be better identified, and the population will have reduced to sustainable. In a perfect world, no debt, and harmony. :-({|=

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Here's a story about a little boy who was secretly given medical marijuana in the form of oil and showed some very positive results .....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... ather.html[/quote]

Such a conspiracy theory approach shows how weak logically this defense actually is. I have no problem with people deciding which drugs they are willing to accept based on the impacts on society, but the decision needs to be made with factual information and not conspiracy theories and emotional appeals.[/quote]

What "conspiracy theory"?[/quote]

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The problem is that many are eating from the trough of the war as funding has been set up over the last 40 years to provide jobs to law enforcement and prisons. Jobs are at stake. [/quote]

No. It's a simple fact. It's going to take time and effort to first, slow down, and then turn around when there is so much momentum already behind a failed policy. Tax money will have to be redirected and long established positions will become irrelevent. New ones will eventually be created but transitions are always a little stressful. Change takes time and effort.

Changing policy, and direction, after spending so much money on it, and having lost many lives in the so-called war on drugs, would be very difficult, Morris admitted.

"To turn around and say that 'this is been a failure' and make a U-turn is terribly difficult," he said. "It's like trying to turn around a 400,000-ton supertanker."


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