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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:58 am 
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America was stupid enough to elect the incumbent for another term. America has reached a new level of dumb. Our economy will fail, the Muslims will invade, and we will lose all of our freedoms and Obama will find a way to be re elected for a third term. That's if he doesn't get us involved in a third world war or something equally insane, make us part of the NWO.


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I believe the stupidity was in the Republicans pushing such a fringe position that the only real choice was the one the country made. The rest of the conspiracy theories not withstanding.

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Fringe position? No one mentioned overpopulation and reducing emissions 90%. The only thing close was self deportation pushed by Romney without addressing gross over-immigration. The NRA magazine's possible gun rights taking scenario by 'bama is frightening and possible. The right wing SCOTUS judges he could appoint for life is another grim scenario on our rights. I have a sense of dread that I will be criminalized and shot by the people I fought for, and that the sacrifices for freedom so many made were in vain. :-({|= :cry:
WS"The fringe position is the tea-party base where no abortions would be allowed for any reason, gays would become a third class citizen, and the rich would get tax breaks funded by throwing the poor to the wolves."
I am a green conservative conservationist nationalist. Fringe? I am in favor of forced abortions to all below 110IQ, return gays to the closet or compost the creeps, collect fines from all scofflaw illegal encouragers, aiders, abettors, or employers, including anyone employed by the gov't, local, state, federal. Obama owes a 5K fine for each of 30 million illegals in the country(deported deep, immediately!), and so does half of all elected and non-elected officials. The ten million American citizen scofflaws, multiplied by the fines, is way in excess of the debt, and could pay for rapid decarbonization and population reduction programs. The prison at hard labor in the sentences could build the double tough fence and monitoring/defense perimeter for less money.
Can you imagine being at a 10% lower population and debt free with tons of money for infrastructure and repair??

REPEAL 'bamacare.
I also believe a geometric tax is needed to help stop sinful greed.

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Fringe position? No one mentioned overpopulation and reducing emissions 90%. The only thing close was self deportation pushed by Romney without addressing gross over-immigration. The NRA magazine's possible gun rights taking scenario by 'bama is frightening and possible. The right wing SCOTUS judges he could appoint for life is another grim scenario on our rights. I have a sense of dread that I will be criminalized and shot by the people I fought for, and that the sacrifices for freedom so many made were in vain. :-({|= :cry:



Ammo sales shot sky high when Obama was elected all because of the fear that he was going to do something ... anything to control guns and ammo. Four years later the threats that he might do something are still selling more guns and ammo than anything else and he has still done nothing other than say he was not going to push for more controls. Anything is possible, but what one needs to watch is what is probable rather than possible.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... r-nra-say/

The fringe position is the tea-party base where no abortions would be allowed for any reason, gays would become a third class citizen, and the rich would get tax breaks funded by throwing the poor to the wolves.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:33 pm 
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OK... Let's just look at a couple of Obama highly dismal actions:
We have a really crappy economy.
Taxes have gone up.
This beast called Obamacare is coming alive.
People are already laying off dozens of employees.
He made it possible to infinitely detain someone.


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OK... Let's just look at a couple of Obama highly dismal actions:
We have a really crappy economy.


Which was in freefall when he took office and the Republican goal was to keep him from having more than one term at any cost.

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Taxes have gone up.


Which taxes would that be?

Highest Income Tax Tier
The requisite income level to be in the subject to a year's highest income tax.

2008 = $365,300 2012 = $379,300


Top Rate on Regular Income
The maximum annual tax rate on regular income for the given year.

2008 = 38.3% 2012 = 37.9%

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This beast called Obamacare is coming alive.


And? People being able to get affordable insurance is not a bad thing especially when we have to pay for their visits to the ER as part of our payments.

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People are already laying off dozens of employees.


Dozens? Why is that?

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He made it possible to infinitely detain someone.


Unlike the Congress which passed said legislation?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:35 pm 
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Obamacare will create more jobs~!


Too bad they'll be part time!

http://johnib.wordpress.com/2012/11/07/obamacares-price-full-time-jobs-become-part-time/

Ya want fries with that?

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This has happend before in American history. Roosevelt was elected and re-elected with an economy worse than this. Spending at today's levels adjusted of course. He created huge spending programs for the day, and flirted with "the Second Bill of Rights." Google that for some interesting reading.

Has this country changed? Yes, and its the electorate that has allowed it to change. We get the government we deserve. It seems we live in a post constitutional republic at the beginning of the european socialist model. This government has been on the auto-growth setting under the stewardship of both parties for decades. The only question is how far are some willing to push it and how fast? We still live in the best country devised by man. We survived Roosevelt. We will survive Obama. You have to have faith that things will unfold as they should.

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Reality ... what a concept

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:09 am 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
I believe the stupidity was in the Republicans pushing such a fringe position that the only real choice was the one the country made.


Then again, we have the fringe position of no abortion for anyone for any reason, when the most likely change scenario is having it prohibited except in cases of rape, incest, or threat to the mother's life. God forbid we take away someone's right to an elective medical procedure. Males should have some comparable right without having to pay for it out of pocket. How much more acceptable, to everyone, do you think vasectomies would be? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Of course we can't leave out gays becoming "third class" citizens because they're not allowed to marry. A bit of an extreme take on the matter considering gays could still function and do what they will as if they were married, regardless. If we want to bitch about benefits and what-not, then single folks are just as "third class" as gays. :-({|=

Please resume distracting your mind with BS while circling the drain. We're doomed no matter who's in the white house.

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
I believe the stupidity was in the Republicans pushing such a fringe position that the only real choice was the one the country made.


Then again, we have the fringe position of no abortion for anyone for any reason, when the most likely change scenario is having it prohibited except in cases of rape, incest, or threat to the mother's life. God forbid we take away someone's right to an elective medical procedure. Males should have some comparable right without having to pay for it out of pocket. How much more acceptable, to everyone, do you think vasectomies would be? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


Except that the push is to prevent abortions no mater WHO pays for them. In fact, there are several restrictions placed on what funds can be used in such a case. Some of the cases are far from elective surgery too, which is why I called it a fringe position. Cases of rape, incest, and where the woman's life is in danger is not comparable to your example.

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Of course we can't leave out gays becoming "third class" citizens because they're not allowed to marry. A bit of an extreme take on the matter considering gays could still function and do what they will as if they were married, regardless. If we want to bitch about benefits and what-not, then single folks are just as "third class" as gays. :-({|=


You mean they could function as a single person without being single? That would be the definition of discrimination. If you were prevented from making health decisions for your wife or even prohibited from visiting her in the hospital because you were not legally tied to her, would not be the same as a single person not having the same rights for some stranger they did not know.

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Please resume distracting your mind with BS while circling the drain. We're doomed no matter who's in the white house.



Discussions with those with opposing views is not that much of a distraction. :mrgreen:

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Fosgate wrote:
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I believe the stupidity was in the Republicans pushing such a fringe position that the only real choice was the one the country made.


Then again, we have the fringe position of no abortion for anyone for any reason, when the most likely change scenario is having it prohibited except in cases of rape, incest, or threat to the mother's life. God forbid we take away someone's right to an elective medical procedure. Males should have some comparable right without having to pay for it out of pocket. How much more acceptable, to everyone, do you think vasectomies would be? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


Except that the push is to prevent abortions no mater WHO pays for them.


If you prevent them, there's nothing for which to pay.

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In fact, there are several restrictions placed on what funds can be used in such a case. Some of the cases are far from elective surgery too, which is why I called it a fringe position.


If it's not elective, no one should have a problem with it. It doesn't matter what the push is. There will be compromise if there is to be change.

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Cases of rape, incest, and where the woman's life is in danger is not comparable to your example.


Rape and incest would certainly be elective if the mother's health wasn't endangered.

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Of course we can't leave out gays becoming "third class" citizens because they're not allowed to marry. A bit of an extreme take on the matter considering gays could still function and do what they will as if they were married, regardless. If we want to bitch about benefits and what-not, then single folks are just as "third class" as gays. :-({|=


You mean they could function as a single person without being single?[/quote]

I mean they do function as single folks if their marriage isn't recognized.

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That would be the definition of discrimination.


Not unless we're discriminating against single folks simultaneously. I don't hear anyone bitching about that.

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If you were prevented from making health decisions for your wife or even prohibited from visiting her in the hospital because you were not legally tied to her, would not be the same as a single person not having the same rights for some stranger they did not know.


No, it wouldn't, but then marriage isn't required for health care power of attorney, is it?

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Please resume distracting your mind with BS while circling the drain. We're doomed no matter who's in the white house.


Discussions with those with opposing views is not that much of a distraction. :mrgreen:[/quote]

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
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I believe the stupidity was in the Republicans pushing such a fringe position that the only real choice was the one the country made.


Then again, we have the fringe position of no abortion for anyone for any reason, when the most likely change scenario is having it prohibited except in cases of rape, incest, or threat to the mother's life. God forbid we take away someone's right to an elective medical procedure. Males should have some comparable right without having to pay for it out of pocket. How much more acceptable, to everyone, do you think vasectomies would be? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


Except that the push is to prevent abortions no mater WHO pays for them.


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If you prevent them, there's nothing for which to pay.


Then why present the payment red herring? :eh:

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In fact, there are several restrictions placed on what funds can be used in such a case. Some of the cases are far from elective surgery too, which is why I called it a fringe position.


If it's not elective, no one should have a problem with it. It doesn't matter what the push is. There will be compromise if there is to be change.


That is the problem with the fringe Republican stance which seems to be the drive for the whole party.

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Cases of rape, incest, and where the woman's life is in danger is not comparable to your example.


Rape and incest would certainly be elective if the mother's health wasn't endangered.


Only in there is a choice by the woman, just as there is a choice by any patient not to have a treatment. All other choices were removed from the equation.

I suppose you would then classify reconstructive surgery after an acid attack as "elective" since it is plastic surgery and the person could just live with the injury.

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Of course we can't leave out gays becoming "third class" citizens because they're not allowed to marry. A bit of an extreme take on the matter considering gays could still function and do what they will as if they were married, regardless. If we want to bitch about benefits and what-not, then single folks are just as "third class" as gays. :-({|=


You mean they could function as a single person without being single?


I mean they do function as single folks if their marriage isn't recognized.[/quote]

Which thus takes their rights away from them. Just as there were similar views on marriage between the different races in the past. If it is acceptable to discriminate against one group we should expand that back to all of the other groups. You could be single again.

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That would be the definition of discrimination.


Not unless we're discriminating against single folks simultaneously. I don't hear anyone bitching about that.


You are mixing examples. If you prevent ALL single people from choosing their mate it would be discrimination against single people too. In this twist you wold be claiming there was no discrimiantion because some single people did not wish to marry.

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If you were prevented from making health decisions for your wife or even prohibited from visiting her in the hospital because you were not legally tied to her, would not be the same as a single person not having the same rights for some stranger they did not know.


No, it wouldn't, but then marriage isn't required for health care power of attorney, is it?


Health care power of attorney still does not grant visitation rights though. It is also subject to being overridden by direct family members, which is not as easily done with a spouse.

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Please resume distracting your mind with BS while circling the drain. We're doomed no matter who's in the white house.


Discussions with those with opposing views is not that much of a distraction. :mrgreen:


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