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Well gee Wayne, why didn't you discredit Johnny's link? I mean, its from FOX news even!! Or are you just targeting mine ? ;-)

Oh, I think the first article is recent enough. Don't like it? TS.

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The U.S., with 4.5 percent of the world population, accounts for about 40 percent of the planet's civilian firearms, said Dr. Garen Wintemute, of the University of California, Davis, Medical Center.

The U.S. is not a uniquely violent society, said Wintemute, who practices emergency medicine and conducts research on the nature and prevention of gun violence. Our overall rates of violence are similar to Australia, Canada and Western Europe. Where the U.S. stands out, Wintemute said, is in the homicide rate.

"That's a weapon effect. It's not clear that guns cause violence, but it's absolutely clear that they change the outcome," said Wintemute.

Other countries have homicide rates comparable with the U.S. or worse, Alpers said. But they're not exactly models of public safety. United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime data shows 10,300 homicides by firearms in the U.S. 2009, compared with 8,804 in Mexico and 12,808 in Colombia.


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In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.1

73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.2

Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.3

Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.4

In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.5

Homicide

Guns were used in 11,078 homicides in the U.S. in 2010, comprising almost 35% of all gun deaths, and over 68% of all homicides.6

On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.7

Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8

Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.9

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Since homicides and attempted homicides have been decreasing since 2001/2, it is hard to imagine there is such a huge increase in gun related deaths.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... land-wales

551 homicides (includes murder, manslaughter and infanticide) were reported in 2011/12, a considerable drop on the previous year's total of 638. Homicides are now down to around half of the figure for 2001/2.

Attempted murders also fell, but by a smaller proportion, dropping by 7.6% in comparison to a fall of 13.6% in homicides.

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No matter how you look at the data it seems the US is significantly different where guns are concerned.

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There is a graph here
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... ics/60071/
That shows the percentage of American households with guns has decreased from 50% in 1970 to 32% in 2010. Although that is those that admitted such. I suppose many did not want to admit anything. :mrgreen:
Then there is this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate
or this; http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

This is also interesting; http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_d ... death-rate

And more charts of gun ownership rates versus gun homicide rates;
http://augmentedtrader.wordpress.com/20 ... tatistics/

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I think one major catch for Israel and Switzerland is that citizens receive training and education concerning the use of firearms. That's not mandatory for the U.S.

Also, there may be various factors that contribute to lower crime rates, not only for countries that have less gun control but even those that have more. In which case, it's more logical to look at comparisons between industrialized countries. For example,

"On Guns, America Stands Out"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opini ... s-out.html

Finally, given the context of the Second Amendment,

"The Second Amendment you don't know"

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/amen ... -1.1223900


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