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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/us/mo ... d=all&_r=0

Mr. Diez, as it turned out, was one of more than 240,000 people in North Carolina with a permit to carry a concealed handgun. If not for that gun, Mr. Simons is convinced, the confrontation would have ended harmlessly. “I bet it would have been a bunch of mouthing,” he said.

Mr. Diez, then 42, eventually pleaded guilty to assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill.

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What is the number(A) of >legal gun owners, including police, gov't agents, and military<, versus the number of >illegal< homicides per year by these >legal< gun owners(B)? (NOT including accidents or suicides---i.e. general listings under homicides)
>>>That would give a more accurate picture of just how dangerous gun owners are to the non-gun owner population, which should also be given in hard numbers. (C)
Answer A, B, & C, please.

[my own educated guess is ~120 million, <4,000, and ~200 million, so, relatively, >>>legal gun owners are not dangerous to the general population] Many other things are much more dangerous.<<<

A joke? or is it reality?
A Disbarred Lawyer, an Illegal Alien, a Pathological Liar, a Muslim, a Communist and a Black Guy walk into a BAR.





Bartender asks....
"What'll it be, Mr. President?" (I would say it is too real!)
More on gun control:
"Here's a little history lesson regarding gun-grabbing and the carnage that ensued: In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century because of gun control: 56 million. You won't see this data on the U.S. evening news or hear politicians disseminating this information." --columnist Doug Giles

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According to the figures more people were killed by guns in the US in the one year, 2009, than American troops killed by all means in both Iraq and Afghanistan from the start until today.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Firearm homicides 2009

Number of deaths: 11,493

http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf

As of January 9, 2013, according to the U.S. Department of Defense casualty website, there were 4,488 total deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) in the Iraq theater from 2003 thru 2011.

As of January 9, 2013, according to the U.S. Department of Defense casualty website, there were 2,165 total deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) in the Afghanistan.

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America is girding for social/racial conflicts. The public senses this and has acquired firearms.
Suggest that all Americans be armed and receive basic safety and use instruction.
Quality firearms are a fine hedge against inflation.

>>>>>Still the first questions were not answered.<<<<(SEE ABOVE!!) The comparisons made should also include motor vehicles then, and forms of death from lifestyle choices such as obesity and smoking, booze and drugs, and from environmental causes such as soots and carcinogenic chemicals.
https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#in ... 41f75933c6

Bunch of great posters, here is what one says;
"25 states allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.
However, 4 out of 5 US murders are committed in the other half of the country, so who's crazy?" Andrew Ford

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The El Paso, CO, sheriff wants to train teachers/administrators;
http://www.gazette.com/articles/teacher ... chool.html

and here is gun control at its worst;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

He had been burglarized 9 times with no police help. Robbers with extensive criminal records broke in. He shot both and killed one with an "illegally" bought shotgun, and he ended up with a life sentence. Later he was released after a few years, but more than the surviving burglar got, and given 125K English Pounds compensation. The media had made the bad guys(extensive robbers/criminals) look good and the victim look bad because he took it in his own hands to stop his victimization that the police would or could not stop. There is nothing nutty about what he did in those circumstances, but a lot nutty about him being given prison time. (notice Wayne's purposeful cherry picking of the wiki article---disgusting!)

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http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/20 ... itors.html

MONTPELIER, Ohio — Janitors at Montpelier Exempted Village Schools are equipped with brooms, sponges, and dustpans to keep classrooms, corridors, and bathrooms clean and tidy.

Within the next several months, the custodial staff will be toting handguns as they carry out their daily duties in the school district buildings.

In reaction to last month’s deadly shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, the board of education of this Williams County school district Wednesday night unanimously voted for four janitors to carry handguns on the K-12 campus.

School officials say having armed personnel, which may be a first for any school system in Ohio, is designed to thwart incidents of violence and prevent what happened in Newtown, Conn., from occurring in Montpelier.

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“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

_________________
"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

http://www.14news.com/story/20559778/tn ... utube-rant

CAMDEN, TN (WSMV) -
A Middle Tennessee firearms trainer who made an ominous comment about killing people in a YouTube video that gained national attention this week has had his handgun carry permit suspended Friday by the Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security.

James Yeager, 42, had his permit suspended based on a "material likelihood of risk of harm to the public," the department said in a statement.

Col. Tracy Trott of the Tennessee Department of Safety said it didn't take him long to reach a decision after viewing the comments on the Internet.

"I watched it twice to make sure I was hearing what I thought I heard," Trott said.

"It sounded like it was a veiled threat against the whole public. I believed him. He had a conviction in his voice, and the way he looked into the camera, I believe he's capable of a violent act," Trott said.

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