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Wow, I agree with Wayne.

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“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Don't bother answering. The whole thread is just to make arguments and bad feelings, and thus a real waste------ for one person's sick need to argue for argument's sake.......

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

This debate is an old one. It has been raging since the founding. If one is interested they could easily search and find numbers where gun possession saves many more lives than they take. I’d like to point out a couple of strawman arguments made recently.

“You don’t need that many bullets to kill a deer!!!!”

There is no “hunting” clause in the Second Amendment. There is how ever “shall not be infringed” in the 2A. Sportsmanship and hunting are a distraction in this debate. A red herring for those who don’t believe in the Constitution to hide behind and appear reasonable. We’ve all heard about the woman in Georgia. A man forces his way in to her house. She and two daughters surrendered the entire house to him and hide in an attic crawl space. He’s not interested in any possessions in the house. He finds them in the attic. She shoots him 5 times. Thankfully that was enough. What if she had needed more than five shots? I would not seek to deny her a high capacity magazine if she wanted one. She is a law abiding citizen protecting her life, property, and the lives of her children.

“Well, we don’t let the citizens have rocket launchers.”

Another strawman argument designed to present the appearance the restrictions are in place and more is needed. I don’t buy this argument and its dishonest to boot. No one argues regular citizens should have advanced weapons systems that employ high explosives. How does that compare with a semi automatic rifle?

Johhny Electriglide. If you had that quad .50 would you break the law with it? If I had a rocket launcher would I break the law with it? No. When would I use it? If I saw a Chinese tank driving down my street. Same with a bazooka.

It doesn’t matter what weapons you give to law abiding citizens. They don’t break the law with them. But yet every “solution” from the left seeks to restrict law abiding citizens. That doesn’t work so naturally we have to wonder what are you really up to and why?

I propose that it is exactly military style weapons that should be in the hands of law abiding Americans. In Switzerland every able bodied male joins the military and is issued a military rifle that is his for life. He is expected to keep that rifle in good working order or he is fined. This is one reason why two world wars raged around that country. It’s the same reason why crime is lower in right to carry states, and same reason why crime flourishes in high regulated areas. This isn’t rocket surgery. Its not hard to figure out.

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A little history lesson about the true meaning, application, and execution of the 2A This doesn’t come from the wild, wild west. This story comes from Tennessee in 1946. Two prominent families controlled much of two counties. One repeatedly ran for Sheriff. The other held a state senate seat. As they held power for a few years they began to abuse that power. Mainly making ridiculous fines for misdemeanors and imposing them on sometimes innocent people. Yet they continued to win re-election while being very unpopular. Many suspected fraud and asked for help from the federal government which did not come. After the war a few vets set up an opposition party. Fielded candidates and made plans to watch the polls. Noting this opposition the Sheriff deputized over 200. They went out on election day and beat and terrorized the poll watchers. One deputy shot and killed a black man attempting to vote. They took the ballot boxes and holed up in the jail.

A few WW2 vets were having none of this. They broke into the armory and attacked the jail with military style weapons. They dynamited the front door and took the jail. They returned the ballot boxes and the opposition candidates won.

Search the Battle of Athens, Tennessee for the full story if your interested.

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Potato chip enthusiast.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Well, in my example of Athens, Tennessee it didn't take a state militia to set thing right. Well regulated or else. It took a very brave band of citizens armed with military style weapons to set things right. Its not called the bill of needs. Its called the Bill of Rights for a reason. Rights meaning government can't take it away. Meaning God gave us this right that can't be abridged. Yes the Constitution can be amended as you described. Doesn't mean it should be amended to take away the 2A. A total ban of firearms mean tyranny is at hand.

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Potato chip enthusiast.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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I can have oodles of charm....... when I want to.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein