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The original article from "a completely leftist outlet known for lying about a great many things" that prompted the correction by Mr. Stevens.

http://www.examiner.com/article/newtown ... dead-hands

A video of a father, Bill Stevens, whose daughter attended Sandy Hook Elementary school, scene of the mass shooting in December, is making its rounds today of his testimony against gun control at a Working Group Public Hearing at the Connecticut State Capitol on gun violence prevention.

Although his daughter was not harmed in the shooting, his daughter’s friend’s little sister was a victim.

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The idea is NOT sound that we should look at the more minor set of dangers while relatively ignoring the most dangerous.
The so-called gun control listed today is not reasonable or sound, even to many anti-gunners.
It is reality that as far as human on human caused preventable deaths, medical malpractice is orders of magnitude worse, but we must have health care. Knives kill many more than so-called assault rifles, yet we need them to eat, just as we need guns for protection, hunting, and recreation. Vehicles driven by people kill more, but we need them for transportation a lot. Hammers kill more than so-called assault rifles, too, yet we need them to build.
There is no Constitutional Right to keep and bear hammers, but there is for arms, including guns. Except automatics and cannons, and explosive missiles.
There is no Constitutional Right to smoke cigarettes which kill hundreds of thousands per year including second hand smoke. There is the Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which really does not include killing others if it makes you happy, but does include the right of self defense to live which others can not take away from you just because they don't like guns of some sort.
There are already thousands of laws about guns on the books, so even more aren't reasonably going to make a difference.
The root causes of the increased violence are not addressed and we keep letting in over a million per year to increase our overpopulation. Crowd tolerance takes time, but is an extremely negative trait ecologically. In the end the crowded starving masses will turn to cannibalism to live, using sharp sticks if they have to. Insanity will become even more common merely because there are more people and not enough money to cover treating them all.
These economic effects are among the first wave with overpopulation. A country 16.4 trillion in debt can not afford to treat all of the mentally unstable, or those affected by overcrowding hostility and insanity.
Back when I was a kid and the US had half as many people, you did not hear of so many mass murders, but there were a few nuts who did and others who were cannibal. Even then the USA was well over long term sustainable population at the standard of living desired by most.
So-called assault weapons banning will not change the root causes that are increasing with even more gross overpopulation. All weapons are assault weapons, or protection weapons, including our fists. Knee jerk reaction to surface problems will not get at the real roots. We are already too outgunned by the police and military, and the only thing keeping us from even a more tyrannical government is so many of us armed. Police can not act as fast as a citizen armed who is under attack from criminals, and the government is not enforcing the laws it has made let alone more laws. Many in government are guilty of felonies but not taken out of office and charged like they should be. Our country has been invaded by 30 million in the past 30 years and the military have not stopped it, nor treasonous politicians. Pollution and depletion have gone up, crimes against humanity no less terrible than a nut kid killing numerous innocent little kids.
Does banning weapons matter when overpopulation will cause mass deaths in the billions followed many years later by extinction caused by the pollution those numbers of people put in the biosphere over time?
Knee jerk reactions and idiotic logic don't help the children of the future. So-called reasonable gun control does nothing. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :mrgreen:

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This great majority of gun control measures are symbolic political theatrics. What Americans must wake up and see its not a matter of gun control it’s a matter of EDP control. EDP is law enforcement short hand for emotional disturbed person. Not nessecaraly the person suffering from clinical depression and post traumatic stress disorder, but the person who is acting out so violently that law enforcement must become involved. 40 years ago the Adam Lanza’s would have been in a mental institution getting treatment. His mother tried repeatedly to make this happen.

Seung-Hui Cho was diagnosed with a sever anxiety disorder know as selective mutism, and a major depressive disorder.

James Eagan Holmes attempted suicide in jail multiple time. Holmes defense filed a motion claiming he was a psychiatric patient. Holmes himself claimed to he had the disorder dysphoric mania and warned others he was bad news.

Eric Harris took Fluvoxamine an SSRI antidepressant know for the side effect of interfering with normal social function. Harris was diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder.

Adam Lanza was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. This is a developmental disorder not a mental illness. Nancy Lanza suspected more and filed with a court to commit Adam. She felt she could no longer control him. One could say she lost her life because of the current system.

Before 1970 and ACLU involvement we institutionalized our mental patients. Now they are left on the street. If parents suspect a mental problem it takes months for the courts to sort it all out. Plenty of time for the mentally ill to plan, prepare, and execute a mass shooting. Most of the mentally ill are not stupid. It is interesting to note the Cho and Holmes obtained their guns legally. Klebold, Harris, and Lanza did not.

Anyone who is in law enforcement and corrections can tell you how many people they have to deal with who would be classified as EDP and how many came to very bad ends do to the poor choices and actions that stemmed from their mental illness. To see someone commit what can only be considered an atrocity such as the slaughter of 20 children at Sandy Hook. The murder of six adults including the courageous principle who tried with her bare hands to disarm a maniac with a rifle. In response to this the answer is to take guns away from the law abiding is ludicrous.

If a school boy takes a crayon and rights all over the wall the proper response is to say all students can’t have crayons?

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