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This forum is very small, but I feel some come here to educate themselves on environmental matters. For those fence sitters and those who have not made up their minds on this topic I offer this lecture. It starts out in German, but the lecture is conducted in English. Enjoy and learn.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDK ... ded#at=199

Don't be put off by clumsy attacks to follow. This is a real scientist discussing environmental science. Watch this video and decide for yourself. Now the regulars here are about to attack this guy with everything they have. Don't be fooled. Examine the content of this video and decide for yourself.

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Decide for yourself if the good professor's math is correct? Or decide for your self if his understanding of the carbon cycle is accurate? Or whether the continual reduction in timescale is a problem for the comparisons being made.

The simple question is whether the current ~400 ppmv concentration of CO2 would be strongly tied to the amount of carbon, which has not been in the carbon cycle for millions of years, being released by the use of fossil fuels. Granted the amounts differ, as the amount released is almost twice that required to change the concentration from 280 ppmv prior to the use to 400 in the atmosphere at the present time.

Or an even more simple analogy is a fountain with a recirculation pump that keeps an amount of water in the upper layers. Now if you pour more water into the top layer it begins to fill because the water does not leave as fast as you pour. If someone compares the amount of water you pour to the amount being pumped and determines the water you add does not impact the rise in the upper water levels, does that really make sense?

That is what you are being told here in this video and it is not correct, which is why the good professor is not on the list to win the Nobel prize for his groundbreaking work in his for profit book.

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Maybe I didn't give the video a fair shake but since I'm no math whiz and frankly didn't want to wade through all the muddle so I confined myself to the first and last 15 minutes. Just a few observations.
1. Like with a lot of skeptics his graph of recent earth heat levels is wrong. The highest temperatures were in 2005 and 2010 not 1998, corrected by James Hansen. The average temperature per decade has gone up regularly since the 1960s.

2. A standard rookie error is to say since in the past solar energy increase led to CO2 increase that mode continues. In fact in modern times it is CO2 increase due to humans that has proceeded the capture of solar energy and so is the initial driver. That should be obvious but the good professor appears to be clueless on that point.

3. To the extent there has been some leveling off of observed surface temperature recently most of that has now been traced to deep ocean capture of energy. In any case due to lots of reasons surface temperature has always deviated around CO2 rise so frankly I don't know why he should make a big deal concerning some sort of recent leveling out of a relatively short duration.


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So, it looks like Milton Banana is really that goose b*stard from TES. A cherry picking denialist if there ever was one, and below a cow pie in my opinion! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :razz: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: :mrgreen: 8)



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http://www.skepticalscience.com/Using-S ... eracy.html

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I really would like to also live in a fantasy world where AGW and its future impacts, among others, sooner, do not exist. We are all sustainable and happy on this ever larger planet, or maybe become a video game addict, or something like that.
Maybe this 20% lesser effects will make you feel better;
http://desmog.ca/2013/07/11/world-we-ha ... n-anderson

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