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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:21 pm 
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4644 views. Fantastic.

Okay fence sitters it looks like your reading. Excellent.

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/12/ ... cientific/

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The way the SPM deals with uncertainties (e.g. claiming something is 95% certain) is shocking and deeply unscientific. For a scientist, this simple fact is sufficient to throw discredit on the whole summary. The SPM gives the wrong idea that one can quantify precisely our confidence in the [climate] model predictions, which is far from being the case.

Darriulat says “the main point to appreciate” is that, because the Summary was written for policymakers rather than for other scientists, it “can not be a scientific document.” His next remarks deserve to be displayed on every billboard in Times Square:


When writing the SPM, the authors are facing a dilemma: either they speak as scientists and…recognize that there are too many unknowns to make reliable predictions…or they try to convey what they “consensually” think…at the price of giving up scientific rigour. They deliberately chose the latter…they have distorted the scientific message into an alarmist message…

This is bracing, no-nonsense talk from someone well equipped to understand what’s going on. In Darriulat’s opinion, when scientists write IPCC summaries not only are they are engaging in “a highly subjective exercise,” they’re blatantly “ignoring basic scientific practices.” Not mincing words, he declares that “Such behaviour is unacceptable.”

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:34 am 
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4644 views. Fantastic.

Okay fence sitters it looks like your reading. Excellent


is causing you to laugh at Milton ....... but maybe you're not reading him at all ...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:21 pm 
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Well, you might now be wondering if that imminent, catastrophic Antarctica ice sheets melting and collapse are still imminent...as predicted. Nope. Eating a huge amount of that cooling crow, the IPCC has recently labeled that outcome as "extremely unlikely".....Ooops!!

In summary, those stubborn facts that are the archenemy of climate change alarmists are without mercy - after 35 years of high tech measurements, the South Pole region has nada, zilch, goose egg, naught, aught, nil, nix, nothing, null, zero, zip and zippo warming. Nuff said.

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Blog v Actual media report .... blog v actual media report ..... blog v actual media report ..... still cannot see the credibility.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25328508

West Antarctica continues to lose ice to the ocean and this loss appears to be accelerating, according to new data from Europe's Cryosat spacecraft.

The dedicated polar mission finds the region now to be dumping over 150 cubic km of ice into the sea every year.

It equates to a 15% increase in West Antarctica's contribution to global sea level rise.

Cryosat was launched in 2010 with a radar specifically designed to measure the shape of ice surfaces.

And the instrument's novel design, scientists believe, is enabling the European Space Agency satellite to observe features beyond the capability of previous missions.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:38 am 
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Milton how many of those views are bots? or people like me who are just bored and like watching arguments. turns out climate science is not the only subject you don't know about how the internet works either. I seriously doubt any fence sitters actually come here to make their mind up.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:26 am 
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How about it fence sitters.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/l ... z2nMzV6vMp

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CAIRO -- Snow coated domes and minarets Friday as a record Middle East storm compounded the suffering of Syrian refugees, sent the Israeli army scrambling to dig out stranded motorists and gave Egyptians a rare glimpse of snow in their capital.

Nearly three feet of snow closed roads in and out of Jerusalem, which is set in high hills, and thousands in and around the city were left without power. Israeli soldiers and police rescued hundreds trapped in their cars by snow and ice. In the West Bank, the branches of olive trees groaned under the weight of snow.

In Cairo, where local news reports said the last recorded snowfall was more than 100 years ago, children in outlying districts capered in white-covered streets, and adults marveled at the sight, tweeting pictures of snow-dusted parks and squares. In other parts of the city, rain and hail rocketed down.


http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/l ... z2nNyMIDa0



The weather is odd everywhere at times. The more odd it becomes the more the climate can be shown to be changing from the previous patterns.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/1 ... today.html

Temperatures across New Jersey are smashing records today as the mercury passes 70 over much of the state.

Officially one day into winter, Newark was 70 degrees around 10:30 a.m., far surpassing the previous high of 65 set in 1998, according to Paul Walker, a senior meteorologist with AccuWeather.

“It’s crazy warm,” said Walker.

By 7 a.m., New Brunswick had already beaten its previous record of 65, set in 1998. And Jersey City is nearly 10 degrees above its 1949 record of 60.

Temperatures in Central Jersey were expected to be the highest today, reaching 72 over much of the region, Walker said. The rest of the state will top out in the high 60s or low 70s — by comparison, normal high temperatures hover in the low- to mid-40s this time of year.

Much of the state will surpass its daily record high today, and some individual cities could log the hottest day on record for a December. But there’s one record that seems likely to stand — the highest temperature in the state recorded in December was taken in Belleplain State Forest in Cape May County on Dec. 7, 1998, when the high was 78 degrees.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:54 pm 
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Here you go fence sitters.

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/1 ... from-hell/

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2013 has been a gloomy year for global warming enthusiasts. The sea ice in the Antarctic set a record, according to NASA, extending over a greater area than at any time since 1979 when satellite measurements first began. In the Arctic the news is also glum. Five years ago, Al Gore predicted that by 2013 “the entire North polar ice cap will be gone.” Didn’t happen. Instead, a deflated Gore saw the Arctic ice cap increase by 50% over 2012. This year’s Arctic ice likewise exceeded that of 2008, the year of his prediction. And that of 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Weather between the poles has also conspired to make the global warming believers look bad. In December, U.S. weather stations reported over 2000 record cold and snow days. Almost 60% of the U.S. was covered in snow, twice as much as last year. The heavens even opened up in the Holy Land, where an awestruck citizenry saw 16 inches of snow fall in Jerusalem, almost three feet in its environs. Snow blanketed Cairo for the first time in more than 100 years.

2013 marks the 17th year of no warming on the planet. It marks the first time that James Hansen, Al Gore’s guru and the one whose predictions set off the global warming scare, admitted that warming had stopped. It marks the first time that major media enforcers of the orthodoxy — the Economist, Reuters and the London Telegraph – admitted that the science was not settled on global warming, the Economist even mocking the scientists’ models by putting them on “negative watch.” Scientific predictions of global cooling – until recently mostly shunned in the academic press for fear of being labeled crackpot – were published and publicized by no less than the BBC, a broadcaster previously unmatched in the anthropogenic apocalyptic media.



Bold mine. James Hansen admitted that global warming has stopped.

One more time. Even James Hansen admitted that global warming has stopped.

Another time for good measure. Dr. James Hansen who's computer models started all of this admitted global warming has stopped. And, with that admission he admits his research is GIGO.

5113 views. Cool. :clap:

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Here you go fence sitters.

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/1 ... from-hell/

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global warming

2013 has been a gloomy year for global warming enthusiasts. The sea ice in the Antarctic set a record, according to NASA, extending over a greater area than at any time since 1979 when satellite measurements first began. In the Arctic the news is also glum. Five years ago, Al Gore predicted that by 2013 “the entire North polar ice cap will be gone.” Didn’t happen. Instead, a deflated Gore saw the Arctic ice cap increase by 50% over 2012. This year’s Arctic ice likewise exceeded that of 2008, the year of his prediction. And that of 2009, 2010 and 2011.

Weather between the poles has also conspired to make the global warming believers look bad. In December, U.S. weather stations reported over 2000 record cold and snow days. Almost 60% of the U.S. was covered in snow, twice as much as last year. The heavens even opened up in the Holy Land, where an awestruck citizenry saw 16 inches of snow fall in Jerusalem, almost three feet in its environs. Snow blanketed Cairo for the first time in more than 100 years.

2013 marks the 17th year of no warming on the planet. It marks the first time that James Hansen, Al Gore’s guru and the one whose predictions set off the global warming scare, admitted that warming had stopped. It marks the first time that major media enforcers of the orthodoxy — the Economist, Reuters and the London Telegraph – admitted that the science was not settled on global warming, the Economist even mocking the scientists’ models by putting them on “negative watch.” Scientific predictions of global cooling – until recently mostly shunned in the academic press for fear of being labeled crackpot – were published and publicized by no less than the BBC, a broadcaster previously unmatched in the anthropogenic apocalyptic media.



Bold mine. James Hansen admitted that global warming has stopped.

One more time. Even James Hansen admitted that global warming has stopped.

Another time for good measure. Dr. James Hansen who's computer models started all of this admitted global warming has stopped. And, with that admission he admits his research is GIGO.

5113 views. Cool. :clap:


What would really be good is to see the actual statement instead of the strawman representation .... how about it?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:12 pm 
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Fence sitters some sanity from the press. Not the American or European press I'm afraid. A very good interview with three actual scientists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35pasCr6KI

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I've posted this before but I realize denialists tend to be terminally confused and don't experience anything outside there little bubble of unreality. Still I will offer this again. Since temperature measurements for the whole earth began back in 1880 we have had two periods where temperatures reached a high that they subsequently didn't get up to for over 30 years later. Natural variability is real as is the influence of dirty fossil fuel combustion producing global cooling aerosols. In addition we have had 4 successive decades leading up to this one where each was on average higher than the last. If this decade temporarily breaks the trend then it is about time. The highest recorded earth temperatures were in 2005 and 2010 so using the 30 year standard get back to me in 2040 if we haven't by then set a new record. :-({|=

In the mean time the glaciers keep melting, the oceans keep rising and becoming more acidic. You can run but you can't hide. ](*,)


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Fence sitters some sanity from the press. Not the American or European press I'm afraid. A very good interview with three actual scientists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35pasCr6KI


A conservative Australian talk show? That is your "sanity"? Three "actual" scientists who are not in agreement with other "actual" scientists, but you choose to believe based on your hopes.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:08 pm 
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Now fence sitters when a skeptical premise makes its way into pop culture the true believers really are beginning to have a problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXmKCs1PiEM

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http://www.skepticalscience.com/2013-Sk ... st_51.html


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Milton Banana wrote:
http://notrickszone.com/2013/09/02/now-dead-and-extinct-climate-issue-not-even-mentioned-once-in-germanys-televised-national-election-debate/


I enjoy a good denier conversation once in a while. I was hanging out responding to all their disinformation and they cut me off. Sourcing all my points, they really don't want to disagree, they want to create a world of what it is to them. A fantasy world on the internet.


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Fence sitters please note the cracks in the AGW foundation continue at an ever increasing rate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... wrong.html


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One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.

Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “'Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.”

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http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/12/the-global-temperature-jigsaw/

There are climate models that have forecasted this hiatus and more of the so called pauses to come.


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