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6000 hits way to go fence sitters!!!!! :clap: \:D/

I've been asked to compare surface stations with satellite data. Okay.

http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/11/scie ... -stations/

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Scientists Call November 2013 Alleged Record “A Flop”: Far From Record Warmest…Series Of Problems With Surface Stations - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/11/scie ... WOEX6.dpuf


Like I have pointed out. How many of these surface stations are out of whack for one reason or the other. Doesn't matter GIGO.

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6000 hits way to go fence sitters!!!!! :clap: \:D/

I've been asked to compare surface stations with satellite data. Okay.

http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/11/scie ... -stations/

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Scientists Call November 2013 Alleged Record “A Flop”: Far From Record Warmest…Series Of Problems With Surface Stations - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/11/scie ... WOEX6.dpuf


Like I have pointed out. How many of these surface stations are out of whack for one reason or the other. Doesn't matter GIGO.


Now all you need to do is understand the term "trend" which was what you were asked to compare. ](*,)

A blog referencing other blogs is also not very convincing considering the assumption that abound in those blogs.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:48 pm 
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As usual fence sitters. Wild claims of disaster never seem to come true. Funny how that works. Do you think your being told the truth?



Official statistics show that the population in areas threatened by global warming is actually rising. The expected environmental disasters have yet to materialize.



When the main disaster is from a 2023 tipping point to about 2500 for thermal maximum twice as high and ten times faster than PETM, it is one of the "wild claims that don't seem to come true"(only because they haven't happened to you yet).
Similar to overpopulation, with the crash past the tipping point by 16 years and inevitable circa 2047,
with horrors, until a generation later it is only 1 to 10% of what it was, and too late to reduce emissions to stop the 85-90% extinction episode. (see long term posts on overpopulation and PETM, etc. )
It is typical of selfish people to not see ahead, and not care about the future. More-on-bananas can think they are on some sort of fence, but the fact is they don't even care and are too moronic to see ahead.
This is for the facts, respond to them, if you dare (you didn't before on page8, which seems like a rotten banana!)! :mrgreen:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global- ... ivity.html

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More trouble at NASA Giss.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014 ... s-records/

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More trouble at NASA Giss.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data ... ushcngiss/

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The measured USHCN daily temperature data shows a decline in US temperatures since the 1930s. But before they release it to the public, they put it thorough a series of adjustments which change it from a cooling trend to a warming trend.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:47 pm 
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Okay, fence sitters we're going to try this one more time. I know some here have trouble with photographic evidence. Here is a USHCN site that is close to properly set up. This station is located at Union Springs, Alabama. Giss Station ID. 425722260030

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Here is the Giss study for this station.

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Here is a photo of a station that is not set up properly. This is located in Wickenburg, Arizona. Giss Station ID. 425722780090.

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This station violates 2, 4 and 5. Here is this stations study. What do you think we'll find?

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Yes, we find an upwardly biased study. See how this works fence sitters. Groovy isn't it. Tax payers dollars at work..

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Okay, fence sitters we're going to try this one more time. I know some here have trouble with photographic evidence.


Like those who think a picture shows how a trend started decades earlier? Or those who cannot think or comprehend without a picture?

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Here is a USHCN site that is close to properly set up. This station is located at Union Springs, Alabama. Giss Station ID. 425722260030

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Here is the Giss study for this station.

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Here is a photo of a station that is not set up properly. This is located in Wickenburg, Arizona. Giss Station ID. 425722780090.

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This station violates 2, 4 and 5. Here is this stations study. What do you think we'll find?

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Yes, we find an upwardly biased study. See how this works fence sitters. Groovy isn't it. Tax payers dollars at work..


Yes, you find a couople of pictures and ASSUME there are no other variables, such as distance apart, difference in elevation, prevailing winds, near features which impact the local climate, and anything else which does not fit their claim to show an anecdotal connection. Of course, the numerous assumptions are what they normally would say invalidates the data, but they generally use a double standard for evidence with which they agree and evidence with which they do not. That is commonly called a hypocritical stance, but most of the arguments are commonly called logical fallacies, as well. The lack of science in the presentation of what they believe is wrong with science would be comical if it was not so very sad.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:53 pm 
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Okay, fence sitters do you want any part of this? Once again overseas press reporting the truth.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/gerald-war ... -1-3264990

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CLIMATE change is real and it is happening very fast. The climate of opinion, that is, regarding the rapidly imploding fantasies of the global warming alarmists.


After a decade in which sane commentators have been angered and frustrated by the purblind adherence to the warmist superstition by followers of the Al Gore cult – prominent among them our own esteemed First Minister and President for Life Designate – the whole climate change scam has finally degenerated into a joke, provoking widespread derision.


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It is not alone. Very subtly, unobtrusively, other institutions and individuals are backing away from the discredited orthodoxy of warmism. The process began some time ago when the Royal Society declared its switch to a more neutral stance in the climate debate. Scientists not committed to the cause by financial considerations are growing aware that the imposture is disintegrating so fast it could achieve Piltdown status within their own career spans. It is a measure of the bogus nature of the alleged climate crisis that the last time warming occurred there was a majority Tory government in office under John Major (“Oh, yes!”).

Recently the collapse of the scam has accelerated. The Christmas holiday period was enlivened by the hilarious pantomime “Anthropogenic Global Warming On Ice”, when 52 AGW believers led by Professor Chris Turney embarked on the Russian ship Akademik Shokalsky to study the melting of Antarctic ice. In reality, as they would have known before they set out if they had read Nasa reports, Antarctic sea ice is currently at its largest extent since records began: 19.5 million square kilometres. Their ship became embedded in the ice, as did the Chinese icebreaker sent to rescue them. When their situation became potentially life-threatening, these pioneering climate change gurus experienced the humiliation of having to rely on the leading climate sceptic Anthony Watts and his colleagues for accurate Antarctic weather information to facilitate their rescue by helicopter.


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What is totally unamusing, however, is the harm these fanatics and complicit politicians have done, raping the landscape with their hideous wind turbines and imposing crippling taxes. Fuel poverty is killing the elderly. Every winter more people die of hypothermia in Scotland than in Finland. Although the climate madness will have the most lethal consequences in the developing world, it also threatens to impoverish Europe. A government study has shown the lifetime cost of meeting “renewables” targets across the EU will be £290 billion, more than a quarter of which will be contributed by the UK. Denmark already has the dubious distinction of being the first country where green taxes account for more than 50 per cent of an electricity bill. It is not global warming that is killing us but its deranged disciples.


I have already reported that Germany has 2.5 million at one time living without power. The German people just cannot afford electricity anymore because of these green policies, and a bunch of nuclear reactors being shut down. No pun intended but its chilling to learn more people die of hypothermia in Scotland than Finland. More green policy lunacy. And, 50 percent of an electric bill in Denmark is green tax. Is this what you want fence sitters because you will not be immune to it once it happens. It sounds like the people and the press of Europe are beginning to wake up.

Another phrase you will be hearing more and more as taxes go up and up because of the green disciples is contained within this story. "Fuel poverty is killing the elderly."

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Another "expert" opinion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Warner


A graduate of the University of Glasgow (Honours MA in Medieval and Modern History), he has been a columnist and social diarist (i.e. society editor) for The Sunday Times (of London), a columnist and editorial (i.e. leader) writer for Scotland on Sunday, and a leader writer for the Scottish Daily Mail. Although his legal name in the United Kingdom is "James Gerald Warner of Craigenmaddie",[1] he does not appear to use this formal style in his journalistic writing, preferring "Gerald Warner".

In the 1990s Conservative government of Prime Minister John Major, he left journalism to become Special Adviser to the Secretary of State for Scotland, the British cabinet minister responsible for Scottish affairs. He had previously been, in 1974, an unsuccessful Parliamentary candidate.

He is the author of seven books, primarily on specialized historical subjects, curiosities, and folklore. His official history of the Scottish Tory Party included a foreword by Margaret Thatcher. He has spoken of his latest book, Secret Places, Hidden Sanctuaries (written with co-author Stephen Klimczuk), as a "robust and skeptical look at the kind of esoteric nonsense celebrated in The Da Vinci Code."[2] It covers various sites and societies favoured by conspiracy theorists and unexplained mystery enthusiasts, including Rosslyn Chapel, Area 51, Skull and Bones, Opus Dei, the Esalen Institute, Mount Weather, Heinrich Himmler'sWewelsburg Castle, Montecristo island and Disneyland's Club 33.[3]

He is a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, and undertook three years of postgraduate research in Irish history after his university degree. He has written about being part of that "dwindling band of individualists who persist in defying the zeitgeist" by wearing a monocle.[4]

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:58 pm 
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Got some homework for you fence sitters.

http://www.palisad.com/co2/eb/eb.html

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Conclusion

The analysis of the satellite data shows conclusively that every prediction of the AGW hypothesis that can be tested by quantifying the energy balance fails. It only takes one failed test to disprove a hypothesis, and here we have many. The only possible conclusion is that the climate forcing effects of anthropogenic CO2 are far smaller than the AGW communities consensus value. In fact, it's so small, that it's certain that the trillions of dollars we are poised to spend on CO2 mitigation will have no effect, other than to drag down the worlds economy and impede the goal of energy independence.

Equally important is that the analysis shows why the AGW community is so wrong about the climate sensitivity and yet still believes its estimates are correct. The reason is that the anomaly analysis used to present results hides crucial aspects about how the climate system responds to change. This leads to incorrect explanations for how climate change occurs based on incomplete information.

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Because they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true ... I know because I read that on the internet. That is why the real experts publish their work in peer-reviewed publications so there is some credibility imparted by the review.

Like this:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

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Got some homework for you fence sitters.

http://www.palisad.com/co2/eb/eb.html

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Conclusion

The analysis of the satellite data shows conclusively that every prediction of the AGW hypothesis that can be tested by quantifying the energy balance fails. It only takes one failed test to disprove a hypothesis, and here we have many. The only possible conclusion is that the climate forcing effects of anthropogenic CO2 are far smaller than the AGW communities consensus value. In fact, it's so small, that it's certain that the trillions of dollars we are poised to spend on CO2 mitigation will have no effect, other than to drag down the worlds economy and impede the goal of energy independence.

Equally important is that the analysis shows why the AGW community is so wrong about the climate sensitivity and yet still believes its estimates are correct. The reason is that the anomaly analysis used to present results hides crucial aspects about how the climate system responds to change. This leads to incorrect explanations for how climate change occurs based on incomplete information.

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Milton Banana wrote:
As usual fence sitters. Wild claims of disaster never seem to come true. Funny how that works. Do you think your being told the truth?



Official statistics show that the population in areas threatened by global warming is actually rising. The expected environmental disasters have yet to materialize.



When the main disaster is from a 2023 tipping point to about 2500 for thermal maximum twice as high and ten times faster than PETM, it is one of the "wild claims that don't seem to come true"(only because they haven't happened to you yet).
Similar to overpopulation, with the crash past the tipping point by 16 years and inevitable circa 2047,
with horrors, until a generation later it is only 1 to 10% of what it was, and too late to reduce emissions to stop the 85-90% extinction episode. (see long term posts on overpopulation and PETM, etc. )
It is typical of selfish people to not see ahead, and not care about the future. More-on-bananas can think they are on some sort of fence, but the fact is they don't even care and are too moronic to see ahead.
This is for the facts, respond to them, if you dare (you didn't before on page8, which seems like a rotten banana!)! :mrgreen:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global- ... ivity.html
Still unanswered by our fruity member.
Check these out, too;
http://www.skepticalscience.com/austral ... ed-it.html
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"Australia’s hottest year was no freak event: humans caused it
Posted on 17 January 2014 by dana1981
The Bureau of Meteorology has confirmed that 2013 was the hottest year in Australia since records began in 1910.

Unusual heat was a persistent feature throughout the year. For the continent as a whole, we experienced our hottest day on record on January 7. Then January was the hottest month on record, and the 2012-13 summer was the hottest recorded for the nation.

The nation-wide temperature record set for the month of September exceeded the previous record by more than a degree. This was the largest temperature anomaly for any month yet recorded.

Averaged across all of Australia, the temperature for 2013 was 1.2C above the 1961-1990 average, and well above the previous record hot year of 2005 of 1.03C above average.

What caused these extreme temperatures? Climate scientists have a problem: because climate deals with averages and trends, we can’t attribute specific records to a particular cause.

But our research has made significant headway in identifying the causes of climate events, by calculating how much various factors increase the risk of extreme climate events occurring. And we have found sobering results."

As usual, idiots think there is no global warming when it is cold out;
http://www.skepticalscience.com/2014-Sk ... dup_3.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/podca ... n-14-01-12
" The social scientists ascribe such thinking to the fact that a cold spell or heat wave prompts memories of other similar weather events and thus makes one more or less likely to believe in global warming at that moment.

And that means the recent bitter chill of the polar vortex wasn't unusual for prompting climate skepticism. What was really unusual was how many decades it had been since the last deep freeze in the 1990s—and how quickly we forget."

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:38 pm 
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Can't make this stuff up fence sitters. Does it bother you that one side of this whole topic is patently dishonest?

http://www.principia-scientific.org/bre ... nment.html

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A newly-uncovered and monumental calculating error in official US government climate data shows beyond doubt that climate scientists unjustifiably added on a whopping one degree of phantom warming to the official "raw" temperature record. Skeptics believe the discovery may trigger the biggest of all “climate con” scandals in Congress and sound the death knell on American climate policy.


As far as the post above its summer in Australia. It would be the same to say AGW is happening because its 110 in Colorado in July. :crazy:

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Another internet blog claiming to know so much more than the experts in the filed, but not so much as to publish these findings in any reputable publication. I wonder why?

Also, this stuff can easily be made up as it has been before, may be now, and will again in the future.

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Can't make this stuff up fence sitters. Does it bother you that one side of this whole topic is patently dishonest?

http://www.principia-scientific.org/bre ... nment.html

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A newly-uncovered and monumental calculating error in official US government climate data shows beyond doubt that climate scientists unjustifiably added on a whopping one degree of phantom warming to the official "raw" temperature record. Skeptics believe the discovery may trigger the biggest of all “climate con” scandals in Congress and sound the death knell on American climate policy.


As far as the post above its summer in Australia. It would be the same to say AGW is happening because its 110 in Colorado in July. :crazy:

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Wow, quoting a fringe group within a fringe group .... that must be a first and not a good first.

http://globalpoliticalshenanigans.blogs ... tific.html

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