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"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
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"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment


Maybe you can find another old quote to misquote? Even the other similar sources, which have quoted more of the quote, do not seem to ever have the entire quote in context. Quoting out of context seems to be popular when trying to make it seem something was said other than what the speaker actually stated. It appears they all quote a later article that itself partially quotes Ms. Stewart.


No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits . . . [C]limate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world


Quoted by Terence Corcoran, ―Global Warming: The Real Agenda,‖ Financial Post, December 26, 1998, from the Calgary Herald, December 14, 1998.

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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Appropriate for Miltie, our troll denialist;
Gene Karpinski
President, League of Conservation Voters
Climate Change Deniers Are Ignoring the Facts and Doubling Down on Their Extreme Beliefs
Posted: 05/23/2014 1:14 pm EDT Updated: 05/23/2014 1:59 pm EDT
"We are seeing the conversation on climate change shift, as the media has started asking candidates where they stand on this critical issue. The politicians who continue to ignore basic science and deny that climate change is occurring and human activity is a driving force behind it, are beginning to pay a political price. Instead of holding these extreme anti-science positions, it's time for our nation's leaders to wake-up and tackle the challenge of our generation -- the climate crisis."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gene-karp ... _ref=green
Cognitive Dissonance: Why Are We So Complacent in the Face of Climate Change?
Elizabeth Peredo Beltran | May 23, 2014 3:23 pm | Comments
"We need to connect the dots to realize that climate change is a phenomenon that challenges us to overcome short-term visions and the empty rhetoric of “Mother Earth,” devoid of concrete actions. Climate change is a consequence of the violent exploitation of nature, of endless economic growth systems based on fossil fuel consumption, understood as an irreplaceable condition for human “welfare.” This obsolete idea has been inculcated into our lives on a social, a psychological and on a cultural level.
What can we do to finally get on board that the emissions from burning fossil fuels, of large scale cattle exploitation and of deforestation emissions—both in the North and in the South—are destroying our atmosphere? Where are the effective means of caring for the common goods kidnapped by corporations and the global addiction to unlimited growth? How long do we have to wait till the polluters begin to stop poisoning us and prevent worse consequences? When and how will there be compensation for the damage? (almost 71.5 percent of global emissions are from developed countries where only 17.3 percent of the world population reside). What can we do to avoid the likelihood that the so-called “development” of the global South will repeat that same destructive patterns (disguised by the promises of progress and of happiness)?"
http://ecowatch.com/2014/05/23/complace ... e-weather/
Methane Apocalypse, Everything Else Is A Distraction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZbvrs51cg
So, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, milt. You are crazy, or undereducated, oblivious, and just in the way of others doing something about the problem by reducing their eco-footprints to 1/20th, living well, sacrificing some, like we did through far sightedness and hard work with caring about future kids.
The old Cousteau words were true. Now it is 362 Million must die per year to prevent 400 million dying per year during the 2048 crash. A crash now is most desirable, with a bottleneck and recovery. After a few more years it won't matter whether humans are here or not because the thermageddon mass extinction is ahead probably sooner than we think, but after the human population crash.
So here's hoping Cascadia or La Palma hit and collapse the world economy, or Katla does the same thing with a volcanic winter, and crashes the population to very little emissions within 9 years. Or we can set off Yellowstone and save the future of the biosphere but go through a Toba type population bottleneck. Too bad we can't mimic nature with selection where only the ones who can live sustainably, get to live.
Business as usual will lead to a Permian type extinction or worse, a Venus Effect. Humans and their progeny will cease to live on this planet forever, along with 10 million other species we take down with us.

You, 'milt banana' :crazy: , and others are trying for that very outcome by your actions, so are hell bound evil :evil: troll. =P~ :twisted: [-X =; :mrgreen: I notice you only really saw the last four words. Yes, you milt are bound for a place other than Heaven. Of course, even snowy got education, so people can change.

Cream – Pressed Rat And Warthog Lyrics;
"Pressed Rat and Warthog have closed down their shop.
They didn't want to, 'twas all they had got.
Selling atonal apples, amplified heat,
And Pressed Rat's collection of dog legs and feet."
I think I will go into my Earthship, and play METAL with my LTD F10 and Roland Cube 60....... :mrgreen:
Enviro-Metal guitarist, yeah, that's me, buddy.
Then, another punch;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHktXJpA7Y
THEN ANOTHER OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE and nothing about METAL!!! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:48 pm 
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#4

“The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations
on the data. We're basing them on the climate models.”
- Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:43 am 
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A rare insight to the truth fence sitters.

“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
- Dr David Frame,
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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Appropriate for Miltie, our troll denialist;
Gene Karpinski
President, League of Conservation Voters
Climate Change Deniers Are Ignoring the Facts and Doubling Down on Their Extreme Beliefs
Posted: 05/23/2014 1:14 pm EDT Updated: 05/23/2014 1:59 pm EDT
"We are seeing the conversation on climate change shift, as the media has started asking candidates where they stand on this critical issue. The politicians who continue to ignore basic science and deny that climate change is occurring and human activity is a driving force behind it, are beginning to pay a political price. Instead of holding these extreme anti-science positions, it's time for our nation's leaders to wake-up and tackle the challenge of our generation -- the climate crisis."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gene-karp ... _ref=green
Cognitive Dissonance: Why Are We So Complacent in the Face of Climate Change?
Elizabeth Peredo Beltran | May 23, 2014 3:23 pm | Comments
"We need to connect the dots to realize that climate change is a phenomenon that challenges us to overcome short-term visions and the empty rhetoric of “Mother Earth,” devoid of concrete actions. Climate change is a consequence of the violent exploitation of nature, of endless economic growth systems based on fossil fuel consumption, understood as an irreplaceable condition for human “welfare.” This obsolete idea has been inculcated into our lives on a social, a psychological and on a cultural level.
What can we do to finally get on board that the emissions from burning fossil fuels, of large scale cattle exploitation and of deforestation emissions—both in the North and in the South—are destroying our atmosphere? Where are the effective means of caring for the common goods kidnapped by corporations and the global addiction to unlimited growth? How long do we have to wait till the polluters begin to stop poisoning us and prevent worse consequences? When and how will there be compensation for the damage? (almost 71.5 percent of global emissions are from developed countries where only 17.3 percent of the world population reside). What can we do to avoid the likelihood that the so-called “development” of the global South will repeat that same destructive patterns (disguised by the promises of progress and of happiness)?"
http://ecowatch.com/2014/05/23/complace ... e-weather/
Methane Apocalypse, Everything Else Is A Distraction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZbvrs51cg
So, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, milt. You are crazy, or undereducated, oblivious, and just in the way of others doing something about the problem by reducing their eco-footprints to 1/20th, living well, sacrificing some, like we did through far sightedness and hard work with caring about future kids.
The old Cousteau words were true. Now it is 362 Million must die per year to prevent 400 million dying per year during the 2048 crash. A crash now is most desirable, with a bottleneck and recovery. After a few more years it won't matter whether humans are here or not because the thermageddon mass extinction is ahead probably sooner than we think, but after the human population crash.
So here's hoping Cascadia or La Palma hit and collapse the world economy, or Katla does the same thing with a volcanic winter, and crashes the population to very little emissions within 9 years. Or we can set off Yellowstone and save the future of the biosphere but go through a Toba type population bottleneck. Too bad we can't mimic nature with selection where only the ones who can live sustainably, get to live.
Business as usual will lead to a Permian type extinction or worse, a Venus Effect. Humans and their progeny will cease to live on this planet forever, along with 10 million other species we take down with us.

You, 'milt banana' :crazy: , and others are trying for that very outcome by your actions, so are hell bound evil :evil: troll. =P~ :twisted: [-X =; :mrgreen: I notice you only really saw the last four words. Yes, you milt are bound for a place other than Heaven. Of course, even snowy got education, so people can change.

Cream – Pressed Rat And Warthog Lyrics;
"Pressed Rat and Warthog have closed down their shop.
They didn't want to, 'twas all they had got.
Selling atonal apples, amplified heat,
And Pressed Rat's collection of dog legs and feet."
I think I will go into my Earthship, and play METAL with my LTD F10 and Roland Cube 60....... :mrgreen:
Enviro-Metal guitarist, yeah, that's me, buddy.
Then, another punch;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHktXJpA7Y
THEN ANOTHER OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE and nothing about METAL!!! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

Enviro-Metal guitarist, yeah, that's me, buddy. :mrgreen:

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"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts
on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
- Al Gore,
Climate Change activist

Plenty of people on this board use this exact technique.

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Milton Banana wrote:
"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts
on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
- Al Gore,
Climate Change activist

Plenty of people on this board use this exact technique.


Again a misrepresentation of the quote ... :oops:


I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.

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I learned this weekend of a senior climate scientist harassing one of my former students - just because of that fact. WTF?



What a classy bunch these Cultists.

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Milton Banana wrote:
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Roger Pielke Jr. @RogerPielkeJr · 7h

I learned this weekend of a senior climate scientist harassing one of my former students - just because of that fact. WTF?



What a classy bunch these Cultists.


Not close to how classy those skeptics are though

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012 ... ge-deniers


Thousands of emails have been sent to Mann, many deeply unpleasant. "You and your colleagues… ought to be shot, quartered and fed to the pigs along with your whole damn families," said one. "I was hopin [sic] I would see the news and you commited [sic] suicide," ran another.

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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Appropriate for Miltie, our troll denialist;
Gene Karpinski
President, League of Conservation Voters
Climate Change Deniers Are Ignoring the Facts and Doubling Down on Their Extreme Beliefs
Posted: 05/23/2014 1:14 pm EDT Updated: 05/23/2014 1:59 pm EDT
"We are seeing the conversation on climate change shift, as the media has started asking candidates where they stand on this critical issue. The politicians who continue to ignore basic science and deny that climate change is occurring and human activity is a driving force behind it, are beginning to pay a political price. Instead of holding these extreme anti-science positions, it's time for our nation's leaders to wake-up and tackle the challenge of our generation -- the climate crisis."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gene-karp ... _ref=green
Cognitive Dissonance: Why Are We So Complacent in the Face of Climate Change?
Elizabeth Peredo Beltran | May 23, 2014 3:23 pm | Comments
"We need to connect the dots to realize that climate change is a phenomenon that challenges us to overcome short-term visions and the empty rhetoric of “Mother Earth,” devoid of concrete actions. Climate change is a consequence of the violent exploitation of nature, of endless economic growth systems based on fossil fuel consumption, understood as an irreplaceable condition for human “welfare.” This obsolete idea has been inculcated into our lives on a social, a psychological and on a cultural level.
What can we do to finally get on board that the emissions from burning fossil fuels, of large scale cattle exploitation and of deforestation emissions—both in the North and in the South—are destroying our atmosphere? Where are the effective means of caring for the common goods kidnapped by corporations and the global addiction to unlimited growth? How long do we have to wait till the polluters begin to stop poisoning us and prevent worse consequences? When and how will there be compensation for the damage? (almost 71.5 percent of global emissions are from developed countries where only 17.3 percent of the world population reside). What can we do to avoid the likelihood that the so-called “development” of the global South will repeat that same destructive patterns (disguised by the promises of progress and of happiness)?"
http://ecowatch.com/2014/05/23/complace ... e-weather/
Methane Apocalypse, Everything Else Is A Distraction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZbvrs51cg
So, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, milt. You are crazy, or undereducated, oblivious, and just in the way of others doing something about the problem by reducing their eco-footprints to 1/20th, living well, sacrificing some, like we did through far sightedness and hard work with caring about future kids.
The old Cousteau words were true. Now it is 362 Million must die per year to prevent 400 million dying per year during the 2048 crash. A crash now is most desirable, with a bottleneck and recovery. After a few more years it won't matter whether humans are here or not because the thermageddon mass extinction is ahead probably sooner than we think, but after the human population crash.
So here's hoping Cascadia or La Palma hit and collapse the world economy, or Katla does the same thing with a volcanic winter, and crashes the population to very little emissions within 9 years. Or we can set off Yellowstone and save the future of the biosphere but go through a Toba type population bottleneck. Too bad we can't mimic nature with selection where only the ones who can live sustainably, get to live.
Business as usual will lead to a Permian type extinction or worse, a Venus Effect. Humans and their progeny will cease to live on this planet forever, along with 10 million other species we take down with us.

You, 'milt banana' :crazy: , and others are trying for that very outcome by your actions, so are hell bound evil :evil: troll. =P~ :twisted: [-X =; :mrgreen: I notice you only really saw the last four words. Yes, you milt are bound for a place other than Heaven. Of course, even snowy got education, so people can change.

Cream – Pressed Rat And Warthog Lyrics;
"Pressed Rat and Warthog have closed down their shop.
They didn't want to, 'twas all they had got.
Selling atonal apples, amplified heat,
And Pressed Rat's collection of dog legs and feet."
I think I will go into my Earthship, and play METAL with my LTD F10 and Roland Cube 60....... :mrgreen:
Enviro-Metal guitarist, yeah, that's me, buddy.
Then, another punch;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHktXJpA7Y
THEN ANOTHER OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTE and nothing about METAL!!! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

Enviro-Metal guitarist, yeah, that's me, buddy. :mrgreen:

STILL NOTHING ABOUT ENVIRO-METAL MUSIC!!! I like "Blackened" by Metallica.
What's the matter you friggin stupe!! You can't make up for your own complete ignorance, scheisskopf.

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it only matters what people believe is true."
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This says it all.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-e ... apitalism/

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Environmentalists have declared that global warming can’t be stopped without ending the “hegemonic capitalist system,” saying that cap-and-trade systems and conservation efforts are “false solutions.”

“The structural causes of climate change are linked to the current capitalist hegemonic system,” reads the final draft of the Margarita Declaration, presented at a conference including about 130 environmental groups.

“To combat climate change it is necessary to change the system,” the declaration adds.



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Milton Banana wrote:
This says it all.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/130-e ... apitalism/

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Environmentalists have declared that global warming can’t be stopped without ending the “hegemonic capitalist system,” saying that cap-and-trade systems and conservation efforts are “false solutions.”

“The structural causes of climate change are linked to the current capitalist hegemonic system,” reads the final draft of the Margarita Declaration, presented at a conference including about 130 environmental groups.

“To combat climate change it is necessary to change the system,” the declaration adds.




Except for the important facts, such as the declaration was presented at the end of the meeting in Venezuela where there were environmental groups attending, but no indication of whether any of the groups actually supported the declaration or exactly who authored it.


http://www.rtcc.org/2014/07/22/venezuel ... 93Tc5.dpuf

Maria de Pilar García-Guadilla, a professor at the Simon Bolivar University in Venezuela, said that there was an underlying assumption in the declaration that capitalism was the cause of climate change – a position maintained by the Venezuelan government in its own development plan – but that this was a “fallacy”.

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Wayne, I see you corrected the idiot's mistake in the title---why?
National Conversation on Climate Change Has Shifted
Frances Beinecke | July 22, 2014 11:51 am | Comments
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francesbeineckebwMatt Russell recently declared that “we are already experiencing the effects of climate change.” Russell isn’t a pundit or scientist or government official. He is a fifth-generation farmer from Lacona, IA, and he is trying to raise crops in the face of extreme weather. “Scientists have been telling us what climate change looks like. As farmers, we’re living it,” Russell said.

The climate conversation has changed in this country.
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"When I started working to combat climate change two decades ago, it was a topic largely for environmentalists and scientists. Now business leaders, former Republican officials, public health experts, religious groups and farmers have joined in.

Indeed, after reams of scientific evidence have appeared in the news and countless extreme weather events have landed in our communities, the issue has gone mainstream. The vast majority of Americans are no longer debating climate change; they are looking for solutions.

Seventy percent of Americans view climate change as a serious problem and support federal efforts to reduce global warming pollution, according to a recent ABC/Washington Post poll."
http://ecowatch.com/2014/07/22/national ... 7-85901709
This one is very valid;
The Danger of ‘Balanced’ Climate Science in the Media
Steven Cohen | July 22, 2014 10:48 am |
"The media, in attempting to offer “balanced stories” does a disservice to the public and policymakers by giving small handfuls of climate change contrarians significant attention despite the fact that nearly all climate scientists agree that climate change is underway and that it is human-caused. When they share equal airtime it sends the message that the science is more uncertain than it is. The questioning of science by the American right wing clearly does not accurately reflect the scientific consensus, and is detrimental to those interested in moving our economy down a sustainable path. Why then does the media still give skeptics equal amount of air time?

This question was recently asked by an independent body in Britain, the BBC Trust, calling on BBC to stop misleading viewers into thinking that the “debate” on climate change is equal. While critical opinion should not be ignored, they stated, a minority of unqualified skeptics should also not be portrayed as having the same weight as the majority of professional climate scientists."
http://ecowatch.com/2014/07/22/danger-o ... 7-85901709
Now, I've told you before about this, Wayne. Giving credence to our troll whats-the-name by allowing this denialist garbage equally with what is really happening. Makes it seem even when it's not.

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