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In the game of truth vs denial, looks like the good guy wins!

Climate researcher Bart Strengers wins wager with climate sceptic Hans Labohm

Posted on 28 January 2015 by Guest Author

This is a re-post from My View on Climate Change

Guest post by Bart Strengers. Originally appeared as a news item on the PBL website.

"Late 2009, in the run-up to the international climate conference in Copenhagen, PBL climate researcher Bart Strengers had an online discussion with climate sceptic Hans Labohm on the website of the Dutch news station NOS (in Dutch). This discussion, which was later also published as a PBL report, ended in a wager. Strengers wagered that the mean global temperature over the 2010–2014 period would be higher than the mean over 2000 to 2009. Hans Labohm believed there would be no warming and perhaps even a cooling; for example due to reduced solar activity.

At the request of Labohm, it was decided to use the UAH satellite temperature data set on the lower troposphere (TLT) (roughly the lowest 5 km of the atmosphere). These data sets are compiled by the University of Alabama in Huntsville. Satellites are used to measure radiation in the atmosphere, after which the temperature of the various layers of the atmosphere is derived using a complex algorithm.

According to the UAH today, temperatures appear to have been an average 0.1 °C warmer over the past five years than over the 10 years before that. Thus, Strengers has won the wager. The stakes: a good bottle of wine."
http://www.skepticalscience.com/strenge ... abohm.html

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Maybe he also got a good bottle of whine to go with it? Milty would probably be going for error bars to indicate the averages could not be compared.

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And even after losing, that still probably won't be enough to change his mind that maybe he is wrong and every scientific organization in the world is right.

Only problem is they are only 38 percent certain that it was warmer.

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I was almost right, but forgot the strawman creation aspect .....

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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Potato chip enthusiast.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Science guy versus denialist with 20K posts from each, in a time wasting perpetual argumentwhile we pass tipping point after tipping point and apocalypse arrives, or if already here, will worsen to GTE. No survivors on Earth.
The time we really had to change it was last century. So, fence sitters don't matter and caused the death of our biosphere with their stupidity, greed, sloth, and denialism.

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

So it means that this year will be warmer than last year.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

I wonder if milt is on this list;
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/12032 ... -327530301

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

I think 2015 has a good shot at being warmer than 2014.

We're already this warm this early in the year, and with a +ENSO event possibly underway, that will only aid in the Global Warmth.