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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:03 pm 
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I'm jumping into this conversation after merely skimming it, so I'm not going to argue about it, I'm just going to list a series of facts I've observed in my life with people I know.

I'm just saying, industry can be a lot worse than most people think. In small towns in the US, it's absolutely normal for factory supervisors to laugh at environmental and safety regulations. I've worked at places that openly game the system and destroy their workers' health, have solar panels on display that aren't connected to anything, condense dangerous week-long training courses into 20 minutes, only replace air filters a week before they're inspected, etc. The majority of factories I've seen do this. The majority of people I work with suffer from chronic health problems as a result of their jobs, or have suffered serious injuries in the past.

I find that some people act like this is all just theory whenever the hard choices come up. As soon as we start talking about things like birth limits or abandoning technology/industry, they act like it's a philosophical debate instead of a practical one. Or they act as if listing one negative thing about primitive life negates the whole option. That's not right.

It is absolutely a practical debate. These are serious potential solutions.

I can't speak for other people, but I'm going to get out and see if I can live a mostly primitive nomadic lifestyle somewhere. I'm doing it carefully and gradually, accounting for the ways the Earth has changed, but I'll definitely try it. It's been two years, and the more I get into it, the more I find that the risks of primitive life are dramatically exaggerated, whereas the risks of industrial life are normalized and downplayed.


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SylvanOfStone,,,,,,,,,,What you have written is quite right........Primitive life was least destructive and humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth as primitives........Agrarian society destroyed some forests for creating agriculture fields but it was much less destructive than industrial society.......Man lived in agrarian stage for about 10,000 years and if he had stopped there this planet wouldn't have got destroyed.

industrial society has destroyed most of the planet in just about hundred years (Most of the world became industrialized only in the last 100 years)

If a few people are abnormal then society can check and stop the abnormal behaviour........But if 50% of population becomes abnormal and that 50% is also running the system then abnormality becomes the normality.......Today 50% of world population is urban (It varies from country to country)........This population is running and promoting industrial activity.

Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.
Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.
Insanity, abnormality and criminality is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

For millions of years "searching for food" / "producing food" was the main occupation.......The urban population of industrial society is producing and selling consumer goods.

It is good to know that you are planning to live a simple non-industrial life........You should do what gives you peace and happiness........Industrial society is on the verge of total collapse.
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LOL, that's more like it! :shock: *runs for the Hills* BTW there are a LOT of great Borg episodes on Star Trek Voyager.


I was more an original or Next Gen trekkie. Deep Space Nine was Babylon Five light and Voyager irked me to no end about the physics.


Deep Space Nine isn't very good, I think because the actors are terrible. But the plots are also extremely weak and the writers unimaginative. Whew did I just insult that in every way possible?
Next gen and original are my favorites as well, but I think Voyager is pretty good. I agree the physics are pretty weak though - I think they focused more on the exploration and personal relations equation.


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If you kill one person it is Murder.
If you kill a few hundred it is Terrorism.
If you kill a few million it is War.
If you kill the entire planet it is Progress, Growth, Development.

Military Industrial Complex = War and Terrorism.

War = Terrorism.

War is the biggest act of Terrorism.

Global wars and global terrorism came with industrialization..........How many global wars and global acts of terrorism happened in pre-industrial society???.........They were not possible In the absence of Weapon Industry, Transportation Industry and Communication Industry.

In a non-industrial world NATO couldn't have meddled in the Middle East or Afghanistan.........ISIS, Taliban or AlQaida couldn't have attacked the west because guns and explosives did not exist before industrialization........The one and only cause of all problems is industrialization.

The nonsense of Cold Wars and Hot Wars came with industrialization........NATO created Taliban to fight Russian forces in Afghanistan.........NATO is responsible for the emergence of ISIS.........NATO attacked and flattened Iraq........NATO toppled Saddam Hussain who was holding the country together........The chaos and violence that resulted from American invasion of Iraq led to the emergence of ISIS.
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What is being used for war and terrorism???..........Are flowers being used for war and terrorism???

The more weapons you produce the more war and terrorism you will have.

Do you see war and terrorism in millions of other species???
Millions of other species never produced weapons.

War industry came with industrialization........Weapon industry came with industrialization........All the war, violence and terrorism in this world has been fuelled by millions of tonnes of weapons produced and sold by the weapon industry.

Countries that have produced and sold weapons are the biggest terrorists.

Corporations that have produced and sold weapons are the biggest terrorists.

All problems have been worsened by industrialization........In pre-industrial society more than 99% of population was producing food........The armies of kings consisted of just a few hundred soldiers........How much war and violence would you expect in such a society???

In industrial society 50% of population is not producing food.........It is doing destructive work.........Millions of people are working for the Weapon Industry........Millions of people are employed in the Army, Air Force and Navy........Millions of people are working for the Intelligence Agencies.

Largescale war, violence and terrorism is a natural outcome of this.

Technology is the biggest terrorist.........All the guns, weapons and explosives came with science and technology.

Pre-industrial wars were fought face-to-face, on foot or horse-back, with swords and spears.........Industrial weapons can kill from thousands of kilometers away....... Bombs and missiles can decimate people from a distance.

Wars have happened on earth for thousands of years.........But there is a world of difference between pre-industrial wars and industrial wars.

Comparing pre-industrial wars with industrial wars is like comparing the Lamp with the Sun.

More people have died in hundred years of wars after industrialization (20th century) than in thousands of years of wars before industrialization.

World wars happened only after industrialization.........World wars were not possible in pre-industrial society.

In pre-industrial society war and violence was mostly localized.......In pre-industrial society countries in one continent could not have caused war and violence in countries of another continent.

Even religious conflicts have been aggravated by industrialization and urbanization...........In pre-industrial society people of one race and religion mostly stayed in one region because of the absence of industrial transportation........This minimized religious conflicts.
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The entire industrial society is a terrorist........Industrial society has destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.......Industrial society has tortured, slaughtered and decimated millions of species.

Industrialization was the biggest act of terrorism in this world.

Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

Industrial society has destroyed the planet with Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Electricity Industry, Oil Industry, Automobile and Rail Industry, Airline and Shipping Industry, Meat and Fishing Industry.
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All problems of industrial society have either been created by industrialization or worsened by industrialization.........All problems of industrial society are unsolvable because industrialization itself is the cause of problems.........Problems of industrial society can go away only when industrial society goes away.

Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Man lived in hunter_gatherer society for one million years........Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.
Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.
Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.
Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:25 pm 
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For most of humanoid history, predation, then self predation, kept numbers low enough. Wars were fought for territory and resources, but ended up advancing the species. The weak and ugly did not reproduce.
Mass amounts began being slaughtered with swords, pikes and arrows. Then peaceful religion reduced the total to less than enough to stop a geometric population rise. Then technology made wars more non-selective and governments sent in their best and left the worst to reproduce. Negative evolution.
The beginning of a world growth only economy, backed by technology and industrialization, greed, taking and using resources far faster than they could be replenished or their wastes absorbed.
You can grow bacteria in a petri dish until they die off after geometric growth to starvation. Yeast goes until it dies of its waste alcohol. Humans are too much like yeast and bacteria, or other mammals that fall into the stimulated population trap.
There is no doubt that industrialization was a stimulant factor, and its exhaust has initiated an approaching thermal maximum series of events. This includes stopping industrialization and civilization, by mass die off and extinction on a Permian scale.
It would be nice to go back to the way it was 11,000 years ago, but that is only a fantasy. Our brains were not good enough (on global average) to control our numbers and habits, or foresee the consequences of actions far into the future.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:42 am 
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For millions of years there was just one main activity / occupation on earth - "Searching for Food" / "Producing Food"..........Urban population of industrial society is the anomaly that is producing consumer goods and services.

Urban population of industrial society has destroyed necessary things for making unnecessary things.

Urban population of industrial society has destroyed Forests, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere for making consumer goods.

If you don't get consumer goods you will not die.

If you don't get food to eat you will die in a month.
If you don't get water to drink you will die in a week.
If you don't get air to breathe you will die in a few minutes.
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For one million years in hunter_gatherer society and for 10,000 years in agrarian society, both adults and children did physical work........Mental work/ Desk jobs for adults and schools/ colleges for children have come into existence only in the last 100 years.

For millions of years adult animals searched for food, their offspring learned to search for food.

For 1 million years in hunter-gatherer society, adult humans searched for food, their children learned to search for food.

For 10,000 years in agrarian society, adult humans produced food, their children learned to produce food.

In the last 100 years in urban industrial society, adult humans have been producing and selling thousands of consumer goods in industries and corporations, their children have been going to schools and universities where they learn to produce and sell consumer goods in future.
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Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:06 pm 
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Industrial governments holding a conference to stop Climate Change???

It is like the Weapon Industry holding a conference to stop Wars.
It is like the Tobacco Industry holding a conference to stop Smoking.
It is like the Alcohol Industry holding a conference to stop Drinking.
It is like the Fast Food Industry holding a conference to stop Obesity.

It is like Petrol trying to extinguish Fire.

Can you save environment by reducing global emissions by 20% while increasing hundreds of other industrial activities???

Can you stop wars by reducing production of one weapon by 20% while increasing production of hundreds of other weapons???

If people are getting killed by Knives, Guns, Machine Guns, Tanks, Carpet Bombing, Cruise Missiles and Drone Attacks, can you save them by reducing just one kind of attack by 20%???

How can industrial governments ever save environment when they are destroying more and more environment by promoting Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP???

Height of Insanity.........Insanity raised to the power of Infinity.

How was environment saved for millions of years before industrialization........Was it saved by Global Conferences???

For millions of years environment was not saved by Environmental Organizations, Activism, Money, Technology or Debate.

It was saved by the absence of industrial activity.
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CLIMATE CHANGE IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION..............ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION IS MUCH BIGGER THAN JUST CLIMATE CHANGE.

Industrial society has destroyed the planet with Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry,Construction Industry, Electricity Industry, Oil Industry, Automobile Industry, Rail Industry, Airline Industry, Shipping Industry, Meat and Fishing industry.

If you want to save environment you have to stop all these industries.

Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

Industrialization = Destruction of forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.
Industrialization = Torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species.
Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of plastic waste and chemical waste.
Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of gaseous waste and ewaste.
Industrialization = Butchering of billions of animals in industrial slaughter houses.
Industrialization = Killing of billions of acres of fertile soil with cement & concrete.
Industrialization = Poisoning of planet with nuclear waste for 50,000 years.
Industrialization = Decimation of fish in the oceans by industrial fishing.
Industrialization = Acidification and warming of the oceans.
Industrialization = Oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans.
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Citizens of industrial society who cannot even control their body weight and mind are trying to solve global problems.

Citizens of industrial society who cannot even solve personal and family problems are trying to solve national and international problems.

How can international agreements work when even marriage agreements are not working in industrial society???
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Millions of other species destroyed the environment only for food.........Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods and services........Is it possible for one species to destroy exponential extra environment and get away with it???

Industrial society has destroyed necessary things for making unnecessary things.

Industrial society has destroyed Forests, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere for making consumer goods.

If you don't get consumer goods you will not die.

If you don't get food to eat you will die in a month.
If you don't get water to drink you will die in a week.
If you don't get air to breathe you will die in a few minutes.

For millions of years there was just one main activity / occupation on earth - "Searching for Food" / "Producing Food"..........Urban population of industrial society is the anomaly that is producing consumer goods and services.

Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.
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Industrial society is ungovernable, unmanageable and unsustainable.

Global village was bound to collapse.

Smaller the system the more stable it is.
Larger the system the more unstable it is.

Hunter_Gatherer society sustained for 1 million years.

Agrarian society sustained for 10,000 years (And would have sustained forever if it had not been replaced by industrial society).

Industrial society is collapsing after just about 100 years.

Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.
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It would be great if industrial society could come to an end, and it will, just not in time.
"• Even if all the Paris voluntary emission reduction targets are added up AND become reality, climate scientists’ calculations indicate that there will still be a rise in global temperature, above baseline, of 2.4°C – 3.9°C by 2030. That would be well above the 1.5°C – 2.0°C rise above baseline, which is the widely supported consensus of the scientific community, environmentalists and island nation governments, as the upper limit to avoid catastrophe.

• So, Paris 2015 is primarily a public relations ploy to convince increasingly agitated populations — concerned about the obviously negative effects of climate change — of the reality of what is in fact a dual illusion: that a “real solution” is being “enacted.”

• Even the drastic and politically impossible solution of an immediate cessation of Industrial Civilization, as we know it, is too little to late."
"It is important to realize that there is a generally recognized lag period of approximately 40 years between the time greenhouse gases are injected into the atmosphere and the resulting rise in average global temperature. So even if we stopped participating in industrial civilization today, there will still be residual temperature rise occurring for the next 40 years. In the last 29 years, humans have put more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than in the previous 236 years back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution (1750)."
http://manuelgarciajr.com/2015/12/05/ho ... o-we-have/

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:16 pm 
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Climate Agreement will save environment just like the Military Industrial Complex saved Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

The term "Clean Energy" is like the term "Peaceful War"..........Every method of energy production destroys environment........Electricity produced by any method is further used by millions of industries and corporations that destroy more environment.

Clean Energy will save environment from Fossil Fuel just like Communism and Socialism saved the world from Capitalism.

Production of electricity destroys environment......Use of electricity destroys more environment.......Electricity (produced by any method) is used to run Mining Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Industry, Automobile Industry, Rail Industry, Airline and Shipping Industry, Meat and Fishing Industry.......All these industries have collectively destroyed the environment and planet.

All industrial activity is interlinked and interdependent........Every industry promotes other destructive industries.
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Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.........Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods and services.

Industrial man has destroyed exponential extra environment.

Environment can only be saved by stopping the extra destruction of environment for thousands of consumer goods and services.

The collective work of society should be limited to food, clothing and shelter........Millions of other species only get food from earth.
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Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment


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I am sorry that both our countries are doing too little and too late to stop the crash and thermageddon;
India Still Plans to Double Coal Output Despite Climate Deal
"India, which is targeting to more than double coal output to 1.5 billion tonnes this decade, says coal provides the cheapest energy for rapid industrialization that would lift millions out of poverty." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-clima ... 5F20151214
You and I both know that rapid de-industrialization is needed at once. Looks like this biosphere is toast. :shock: :x :cry: ](*,) 8-[ :-# :mrgreen:

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Industrial governments are governments of humans, by humans, for humans.......In the last hundred years Industrial Governments gave more and more to humans by taking away more and more from millions of other species.

Industrial governments gave more and more to humans by destroying Forests and Oceans ( that belonged to millions of land and marine species) with industrial activity.

This planet is home to millions of species not just man alone ........This planet is not the private property of man who can do whatever he wants.

Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.........Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods and services........Is it possible for one species to destroy exponential extra environment and get away with it???

Industrial society has destroyed necessary things for making unnecessary things.

Industrial society has destroyed Forests, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere for making consumer goods.

If you don't get consumer goods you will not die.

If you don't get food to eat you will die in a month.
If you don't get water to drink you will die in a week.
If you don't get air to breathe you will die in a few minutes.

For millions of years there was just one main activity / occupation on earth - "Searching for Food" / "Producing Food"..........Urban population of industrial society is the anomaly that is producing consumer goods and services.

Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.


Industrial society is ungovernable, unmanageable and unsustainable.

Global village was bound to collapse.

Smaller the system the more stable it is.
Larger the system the more unstable it is.

Hunter_Gatherer society sustained for 1 million years.

Agrarian society sustained for 10,000 years (And would have sustained forever if it had not been replaced by industrial society).

Industrial society is collapsing after just about 100 years.
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Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Man lived in hunter_gatherer society for one million years........Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.


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Forests, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere have been destroyed.
Happy New Year.
Millions of species have been tortured, slaughtered and decimated.
Happy New Year.
The planet is dying and gasping for last breath.
Happy New Year.

Years have been changing on earth for millions of years.........It is only industrial man that has turned this event into a show of decadence and depravity.

In industrial society New Year means Parties, Music, Dance, Alcohol, Drugs, Entertainment, Shopping Discounts and Sales.

Excessive celebration is a disease and insanity of industrial society.........There was very little celebration in pre-industrial society when industrial consumer goods and services did not exist.

Industrialization = Decadence, depravity and unrestrained pleasure chasing.
Industrialization = Millions of prostitutes, pubs, bars, restaurants and parties.
Industrialization = Millions of tonnes of alcohol and designer drugs.
Industrialization = Pornography Industry, Film Industry, Fashion Industry, Sports Industry, Music and Entertainment Industry.

Industrialization = Hedonism raised to the power of infinity.

Industrial society is engaged in two main activities.........Destruction and Entertainment.

Work Hard.........Play Hard.
Destroy Hard......Enjoy Hard.
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Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

Industrialization = Destruction of forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.
Industrialization = Torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species.
Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of plastic waste and chemical waste.
Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of gaseous waste and ewaste.
Industrialization = Butchering of billions of animals in industrial slaughter houses.
Industrialization = Killing of billions of acres of fertile soil with cement & concrete.
Industrialization = Poisoning of planet with nuclear waste for 50,000 years.
Industrialization = Decimation of fish in the oceans by industrial fishing.
Industrialization = Acidification and warming of the oceans.
Industrialization = Oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans.
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Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Man lived in hunter_gatherer society for one million years........Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment


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Totally right, it will only be an open access society [without debt/credit management ;ie money] that can intelligently distribute, in a equitable fashion for all, the resources, goods and service of our world.
The world is [or should be] the common heritage of all.
Make it so
Jion the movement , the fastest growing movement on the planet see the venus project , money free, zeitgeist movement, ubuntu and many others


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From Sushi,
"Industrialization = Destruction of forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.
Industrialization = Torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species.
Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of plastic waste and chemical waste.
Industrialization = Billions of tonnes of gaseous waste and ewaste.
Industrialization = Butchering of billions of animals in industrial slaughter houses.
Industrialization = Killing of billions of acres of fertile soil with cement & concrete.
Industrialization = Poisoning of planet with nuclear waste for 50,000 years.
Industrialization = Decimation of fish in the oceans by industrial fishing.
Industrialization = Acidification and warming of the oceans.
Industrialization = Oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans."
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If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever."

Depletion of key resources, huge plastic pollution including PVC in enough quantity to be far worse than radioactive waste, fallout from filthy coal burning including mercury and other toxins, chemical farming with polluting mechanization, slash and burn agriculture and over intensive agriculture, with way too many animals, from the demands of overpopulation. Dead zones up to over 100, and ocean fisheries declining rapidly with coral die off and jellyfish overpopulation, from CO2 of all the human caused exhaust gases. From the veil of soot from burning cook fires, to far too many jet aircraft and diesel trucks and ships, far too many people heating homes in the wrong places, and too many vehicles spewing pollution.
Well, society will not life forever, our vector is extinction. It is too late to change enough in time, and we have inadvertently set off a chain reaction of tipping points of positive feedback loop completion. It was determined that open ocean from CO2 warming started runaway in 2007, which leads to a large methane increase rapidly and exponential heating beyond the survivability of all except extremophobe life (and maybe even those).
It would have been good to foresee what ingenuity to non-fossil fueled industrialization would do in the long run---overpopulation. Plus, what the burning of black smelly fossil fuels for even more industrialization would do----a thermal maximum extinction event.
Why didn't wise elders from those times speak out against the change from agrarian to industrial society? Perhaps they did and were killed for the greed of the few and the needs of the too many.
We are now on a planetary death ride in most of our lifetimes. It will probably be business as usual until the end. Those that committed planetary murder, also kill the people that understand and live green, and their own children's children.

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One species cannot destroy exponential extra environment when millions of other species destroy environment only for food.........This planet is home to millions of species not just man alone............Millions of other species destroy environment only for food.........Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods and services.

Millions of other species don't even have the right to live because their habitats have been destroyed by industrial activity..........After taking away the rights of millions of other species, Industrial man wants hundreds of rights for himself.........Right to food, clothing and shelter, Right to buy thousands of consumer goods and services, Right to salary, pension and education, Right to healthcare, welfare and insurance, Human Rights, Women's Rights, Children's Rights, Gay Rights, Lesbian Rights, This Right, That Right.

Height of Insanity............Insanity raised to the power of Infinity.

Industrial society gave more and more to humans by taking away more and more from millions of other species.

Industrial society gave more and more to humans by destroying Forests and Oceans that belonged to millions of other species

This decadent and destructive lifestyle must stop immediately........The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.......Millions of other species only get food from earth.

For millions of years there was just one main activity / occupation on earth - "Searching for Food" / "Producing Food"..........Urban population of industrial society is the anomaly that is producing consumer goods and services.

Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.
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Man has spent more than 99.9% of his time on earth in non-industrial societies.

Man lived in hunter_gatherer society for one million years........Man lived in agrarian society for 10,000 years........Man has lived in industrial society for just about 100 years during which he has destroyed the entire planet.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment


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