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Lately, I see and hear from all the sides how wonderful solar energy is for anyone. I appreciate the idea- it is brilliant - harvesting free energy of the Sun, BUT I do not like the way that the industry is becoming increasingly commercial, which often goes hand in hand with the destruction of the environment and big corporations ravaging the planet for resources.

I am afraid we are heading more the way of creating another huge problem - like how it has happened with plastic.

What are your thoughts?

If everyone would have gone one child only or less and all solar, last century, we might have had a chance. How will we stop this?

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You say last century...but we did not even have the knowledge we have now then. In 1950s, there were only 2.5 billion people on the planet, world was also dealing with the huge impact of the WWII, but since then our populations skyrocketed, technology improved to the point when we can use complex models to predict development....But the main problem here is the direction in which society develops. Anything that has any commercial value and marketing potential is taken by hundreds of people to multiply it and gain their riches on it, regardless of the impacts in the long-run. Which is what concerns me a bit about booming solar industry as well....

Haha, terrifying white knife in the middle of the picture

guys, but how all the world would start to use only solar energy, when there're many places, where you can't have enought sun? If you lhave a villa in Greece, where sun shines 300 days a year it's a perfect decision, but what people from northern countries, like Canada or Finland or Russia should do? Buy a flat in Greece and move there? I mean, many people actually do that to spend their vacations or retirement years on the seaside, but not everybody can afford this, unfortunately. So my question is - what energy is the best for the north?

I'd look into geothermal.

I don't see how other industries can overexploited the solar energy to be honest. Sure it's a great innovation that its becoming popular and it will be overcommercialised but it wont affect the energy fountain (the sun)

There is a lot of profiteering going on and stupid grid thinking with fields of panels. The best thing is self installing, it is not really that hard to do. There are plenty of books out on how to do it and many at local libraries, free to read. All power should have transitioned to non-emissions power back in 1994 as per Hansen's "Storms of My Grandchildren" in 2008. Gen 4 waste using nuclear for areas without hydro, tidal/wave, solar or wind. It is probably too late, but might as well die trying.
This chart shows the runaway to a no ice condition over thousands of GTs of methane with 100 x the heat trapping of the now 411ppm CO2. https://thebestschools.org/wp-content/u ... 40x555.png

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

It's a problem of our world. Most people wouldn't even move a finger if there is no money in that. We have a war with drugs, war with "war's", war with pollution but why don't we have war with homelessness? There is no money in that.
Sad, but true

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Given peak oil, we will be forced to use that and many other energy sources.

It was on color TV in 1958. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... -AXBbuDxRY

https://14adebb0-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.goo ... edirects=0

We have 11 years to the start of extinction of almost all surface life on Earth with millions of years recovery time, all from human gross overpopulation, general stupidity, and greed. It is advisable to pray for Divine Intervention on behalf of all the good life and few good humans.

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

This is a good thread.

If you like bad news, I suppose it is "good". I would rather report good environmental news, but there is none. HGHGs keep going up, ocean heat keeps going up, population keeps going up and getting dumber. This still applies "If everyone would have gone one child only or less and all solar, last century, we might have had a chance."

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

I can't but agree with you on the one hand. But on the other I think that efficient consumption of energy is also an effective thing. There is a reason why EU introduced Energy Efficiency certificates. Have a look at the article https://virtoproperty.com/info/energy-performance-certificate-epc-in-spain telling how Spaniards deal with the problem.

I've been on self installed solar power for 23 years now, and it saved me enough to pay off the low mortgage in 8 years. If you don't have the gumption or earned good credit, it takes twice as long to pay off. It depends on your area. Some are hacked by fossil fuel and grid interests.

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein