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I apologize to everyone for not being available to take action on this sooner, clearly PhantomUK has crossed the line (and then some) by repeatedly and personally attacking users here and for posting pornographic images. He is now banned.

For anyone interested, I have notified his ISP, British Telecom (host86-133-228-104.range86-133.btcentralplus.com). Paul (aka Phantomuk) is no longer welcome here.

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Furthermore... I will ban without warning any user who mentions phantomuk again after the time stamp of this posting. No debate, no "I told you so"... none of it. I am very pissed about this and will not tolerate any BS. This notice is everyone's warning.

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Furthermore... I will ban without warning any user who mentions phantomuk again after the time stamp of this posting. No debate, no "I told you so"... none of it. I am very pissed about this and will not tolerate any BS. This notice is everyone's warning.

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I've just seen this - after my response to Red on the, "Personal Insults", thread. This will be my last post on the subject but I do have some last things to say.

a) I absolutely agree that we cannot tolerate gross obscenity and / or pornographic imagery on the Board and and obviously ***:roll: has offended in that regard on too many occasions.

b) As is probably obvious by now I have a very low tolerance threshold for, "coarse language", and pornography and am as much offended as anyone by ***'s outbursts. I was however, obvious that, *** had a significant anger management problem, probably associated with his known dyslexia, and I think it is a shame, and an absolute disgrace to the Board, that other Posters should have been allowed to provoke him into uncontrolled rages by constantly insulting and ridiculing him: including by the constant use of such intentionally derogatory names as, "phantie", "phanto", "muk", and "pantomime" (c.f. "NT-spasm).


Unless you instruct me not to, I intend, from now on to remove all such "nick names", and all provocative personal statement, without exception.

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Furthermore... I will ban without warning any user who mentions phantomuk again after the time stamp of this posting. No debate, no "I told you so"... none of it. I am very pissed about this and will not tolerate any BS. This notice is everyone's warning.

-josh


I've just seen this - after my response to Red on the, "Personal Insults", thread. This will be my last post on the subject but I do have some last things to say.

a) I absolutely agree that we cannot tolerate gross obscenity and / or pornographic imagery on the Board and and obviously ***:roll: has offended in that regard on too many occasions.

b) As is probably obvious by now I have a very low tolerance threshold for, "coarse language", and pornography and am as much offended as anyone by ***'s outbursts. I was however, obvious that, *** had a significant anger management problem, probably associated with his known dyslexia, and I think it is a shame, and an absolute disgrace to the Board, that other Posters should have been allowed to provoke him into uncontrolled rages by constantly insulting and ridiculing him: including by the constant use of such intentionally derogatory names as, "phantie", "phanto", "muk", and "pantomime" (c.f. "NT-spasm).


Unless you instruct me not to, I intend, from now on to remove all such "nick names", and all provocative personal statement, without exception.

I agree with your assessment, which is why this whole thing angers me so much. It is clear from postings on other boards that there was a concerted effort to cause trouble. It's a shame he fell for it, but he did and that's that.

Instead of deleting the posts, please split them out to the volunteer's area so we can keep track of the problems. I don't think we should be editing people's posts if they violate the rules, removing and tracking them is the only thing to do.

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Furthermore... I will ban without warning any user who mentions phantomuk again after the time stamp of this posting. No debate, no "I told you so"... none of it. I am very pissed about this and will not tolerate any BS. This notice is everyone's warning.

-josh


I've just seen this - after my response to Red on the, "Personal Insults", thread. This will be my last post on the subject but I do have some last things to say.

a) I absolutely agree that we cannot tolerate gross obscenity and / or pornographic imagery on the Board and and obviously ***:roll: has offended in that regard on too many occasions.

b) As is probably obvious by now I have a very low tolerance threshold for, "coarse language", and pornography and am as much offended as anyone by ***'s outbursts. I was however, obvious that, *** had a significant anger management problem, probably associated with his known dyslexia, and I think it is a shame, and an absolute disgrace to the Board, that other Posters should have been allowed to provoke him into uncontrolled rages by constantly insulting and ridiculing him: including by the constant use of such intentionally derogatory names as, "phantie", "phanto", "muk", and "pantomime" (c.f. "NT-spasm).


Unless you instruct me not to, I intend, from now on to remove all such "nick names", and all provocative personal statement, without exception.

I agree with your assessment, which is why this whole thing angers me so much. It is clear from postings on other boards that there was a concerted effort to cause trouble. It's a shame he fell for it, but he did and that's that.

Instead of deleting the posts, please split them out to the volunteer's area so we can keep track of the problems. I don't think we should be editing people's posts if they violate the rules, removing and tracking them is the only thing to do.

-josh


I agree there seems to have been an effort organized and that is not an acceptable situation. I also agree that the identified problems of ANY poster should be off limits and respected for what it is, an explanation of why some posts may not be "perfect". I do disagree with the concept that shortening a long screen name is derogatory in and of itself. It is especially difficult when there are unusual spellings, number sequences, and the like included. I would not have brought this up in the public section of the forum if it were not already here.

The insults and the like are bad, however, I must point out his use of such terms preceded this and it is hard to separate the usage from the receipt, especially when there was often backsliding on his part. I do believe a more proactive approach to this will help, but there are going to be high emotions of both sides of any polarized issue and when that happens there will be some flare ups.

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I was however, obvious that, *** had a significant anger management problem, probably associated with his known dyslexia, and I think it is a shame, and an absolute disgrace to the Board, that other Posters should have been allowed to provoke him into uncontrolled rages by constantly insulting and ridiculing him: including by the constant use of such intentionally derogatory names as, "phantie", "phanto", "muk", and "pantomime" (c.f. "NT-spasm).


I would like to mention that having a family member that is dyslexic, the aforementioned poster showed no signs of being dyslexic, only a poor speller, which we all suffer from at some point or another.
Also, there are no studies that show that dyslexics suffer from anger management problems any more than the general population.
Sandra, please don't make excuses for *his* behavior by blaming it on his alleged dyslexia. I've spent half my life defending my family member against people calling him retarded and the like, simply because his brain works differently than others. It doesn't make him stupid or ignorant.


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I would like to mention that having a family member that is dyslexic, the aforementioned poster showed no signs of being dyslexic, only a poor speller, which we all suffer from at some point or another.
Also, there are no studies that show that dyslexics suffer from anger management problems any more than the general population.
Sandra, please don't make excuses for *his* behavior by blaming it on his alleged dyslexia. I've spent half my life defending my family member against people calling him retarded and the like, simply because his brain works differently than others. It doesn't make him stupid or ignorant.

That is a good point. I don't think we should belabor the discussions about someone who is no longer allowed to be here, but clearly the user allowed themselves (for whatever reason) to be pushed far over the edge.

Wayne, I also agree that shortening a user's name should not automatically be a bad thing. If a user for some reason is sincere in identifying a nickname to be a problem for them, then others should try to be nice and not keep using it. This is not an issue of technicalities (which some users here seem to want to push the boundaries of at every moment), it is an issue of common sense and decency.

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I just have a couple of things I'd like to say, if you all don't mind....

I will take responsibility for being one who put a former member in the position where he would have to decide what venue he would take to continue the course of debate..... but I absolutely will not accept responsibility for the actions he took yesterday.

I have no need to argue beyond this and I won't. Consider it a closed topic for me here.


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Pornographic images? Good grief. I would have never expected this from <i>anybody</i>. I've lately swapped some PM's with the now-banned poster--all very cordial. Weird.

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I just have a couple of things I'd like to say, if you all don't mind....

I will take responsibility for being one who put a former member in the position where he would have to decide what venue he would take to continue the course of debate..... but I absolutely will not accept responsibility for the actions he took yesterday.

I have no need to argue beyond this and I won't. Consider it a closed topic for me here.


i second this and if this is going against the grain of the admin of this forum i apologize for circumventing your rules, but i will not be a scapegoat for the poster who will not be named's behavior. you very well know how i was greeted to this forum by that person, and i have attempted to contribute quality debate and ideas. yet i didnt go all haywire with offensive material to try and intentionally cause chaos of the board for the sake of individuals who i've felt got preferencial treatment.

i take great offense at the insinuation that amy, rf, donnie, myself and anyone else that i feel was targeted by the accusations of goading "the poster who will not be named" into posting pornography and such. i can speak for myself, my targeting of that person and their significant other was due to their weak arguements, their abuse of the forum rules by trying loopholes and well i guess i felt i was up on what type of person i was dealing with....i was correct in my assessment.

if you must ban me for my statements do so. i kept my word and removed my sig line as i said i'd do since the banning, but i will not have that former posters banning and behavior put on me.

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I agree with your assessment, which is why this whole thing angers me so much. It is clear from postings on other boards that there was a concerted effort to cause trouble. It's a shame he fell for it, but he did and that's that.


I'm glad my assessment was correct. I'll check the site just for the education.

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I was however, obvious that, *** had a significant anger management problem, probably associated with his known dyslexia, and I think it is a shame, and an absolute disgrace to the Board, that other Posters should have been allowed to provoke him into uncontrolled rages by constantly insulting and ridiculing him: including by the constant use of such intentionally derogatory names as, "phantie", "phanto", "muk", and "pantomime" (c.f. "NT-spasm).


I would like to mention that having a family member that is dyslexic, the aforementioned poster showed no signs of being dyslexic, only a poor speller, which we all suffer from at some point or another.
Also, there are no studies that show that dyslexics suffer from anger management problems any more than the general population.
Sandra, please don't make excuses for *his* behavior by blaming it on his alleged dyslexia. I've spent half my life defending my family member against people calling him retarded and the like, simply because his brain works differently than others. It doesn't make him stupid or ignorant.



Bang on Oinks.


A neighbor boy to me is 44 years old and did very poorly in school. I used to take him everywhere with me when he was younger and he was like a younger brother to me. His father was like an older brother as I fell 12 years between their ages. The boy is a genius in so many ways. Mathematically ,one of the smartest people I have ever met and quicker then a calculator adding figures. He is also one of the most loving parents I have ever met and a real kind loving community person. As for spelling. Josh of all people should know how thick skinned I had to be over the years since I started posting here.


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oinks wrote:
I would like to mention that having a family member that is dyslexic, the aforementioned poster showed no signs of being dyslexic, only a poor speller, which we all suffer from at some point or another.
Also, there are no studies that show that dyslexics suffer from anger management problems any more than the general population.
Sandra, please don't make excuses for *his* behavior by blaming it on his alleged dyslexia. I've spent half my life defending my family member against people calling him retarded and the like, simply because his brain works differently than others. It doesn't make him stupid or ignorant.

That is a good point. I don't think we should belabor the discussions about someone who is no longer allowed to be here, but clearly the user allowed themselves (for whatever reason) to be pushed far over the edge.

Wayne, I also agree that shortening a user's name should not automatically be a bad thing. If a user for some reason is sincere in identifying a nickname to be a problem for them, then others should try to be nice and not keep using it. This is not an issue of technicalities (which some users here seem to want to push the boundaries of at every moment), it is an issue of common sense and decency.

-josh



If it is easy for people call me Don. No problem ,but don't call me some of the other stuff which was pure vulgar filth or hunterscum , bloodthirsty snake pig unless you expect to play for keeps. BTW . For me you is a perfectly acceptable term for me if someone wants to attack a premise that I put forth. Only fair in the long haul because it saves avoiding you said.


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I...disagree with the concept that shortening a long screen name is derogatory in and of itself.


So do I. When I said, "such nick-names", I meant pejorative ones. But I agree that might sometime be hard to determine.

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The insults and the like are bad, however, I must point out his use of such terms preceded this and it is hard to separate the usage from the receipt, especially when there was often backsliding on his part.


I agree with that too. As I've said before there is clearly fault on both sides and he who shall be nameless obviously takes the cake for obscenity (even without the pornography which I'm glad to say I missed).
My point is that there is a pattern here of persistent and orchestrated denigration and ridicule directed at susceptible AR Posters by others who appear to have no other object in view than to enrage and drive them from the Board. There have been other cases.

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I would like to mention that having a family member that is dyslexic, the aforementioned poster showed no signs of being dyslexic, only a poor speller, which we all suffer from at some point or another.


I disagree. Consider the sentence structure, though I doubt either of us is qualified to judge on the available evidence. In any case, *** said he was dyslexic and, IMO, unless we know otherwise that should be good enough.

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Also, there are no studies that show that dyslexics suffer from anger management problems any more than the general population.


Communication difficulties can cause intense frustration and can result in angry outbursts and rages: particularly when ridiculed. Not a radical new proposition Oinks.

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Sandra, please don't make excuses for *his* behavior by blaming it on his alleged dyslexia.


This is really not the best time to practice your willful mis-representation skills Oinks. :x I have said nothing to excuse his behaviour; which is his own responsibility and, as Josh said later, *** "allowed himself to be pushed over the edge". The point was, he was pushed.

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I've spent half my life defending my family member against people calling him retarded and the like, simply because his brain works differently than others. It doesn't make him stupid or ignorant.


I'm sorry for it Oinks; really, but this has nothing to do with your family member.

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... I absolutely will not accept responsibility for the actions he took yesterday.


You are not being asked to accept responsibility for anyone's actions but your own.

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Pornographic images? Good grief. I would have never expected this from anybody. I've lately swapped some PM's with the now-banned poster--all very cordial. Weird.


IMO Fos we would have got a lot more cordiality and more useful contributions (such as those on fox hunting) had he been treated with a reasonable modicum of respect.

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i take great offense at the insinuation that amy, rf, donnie, myself and anyone else that i feel was targeted by the accusations of goading "the poster who will not be named" into posting pornography and such.


There was no insinuation. There is an accusation of goading. Either you were part of it or you were not.

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i can speak for myself, my targeting of that person and their significant other


So, you targeted *** and his, "significant other", I missed that.

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Weak arguments are, "targeted", by producing better ones, you should try that next time. Abuse of rules is not your business. That's why Josh, and more recently Wayne and I are here. Lodge your complaint next time and help to resolve the problem or stay out of it.

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i guess i felt i was up on what type of person i was dealing with....i was correct in my assessment.


You mean you helped to push a vulnerable person over the edge? Good for you!

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i take great offense at the insinuation that amy, rf, donnie, myself and anyone else that i feel was targeted by the accusations of goading "the poster who will not be named" into posting pornography and such.



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There was no insinuation. There is an accusation of goading. Either you were part of it or you were not.


as one greeted to this site with pms from "the banned" that were very unwelcome, and i did take notice of this person's identity to see what they were all about by looking up posts specifically by this person.....i'd assume i am/was lumped into your accusation...yes.

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So, you targeted *** and his, "significant other", I missed that.


yes with debate and debate topics which went mostly ignored as they didnt want debate within their own threads but rather to incite others here outside of constructive debate.

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Weak arguments are, "targeted", by producing better ones, you should try that next time.


i did very successfully i might add.

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Abuse of rules is not your business. That's why Josh, and more recently Wayne and I are here. Lodge your complaint next time and help to resolve the problem or stay out of it.


i did......this was only as successful as the willingness to handle the problem.

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You mean you helped to push a vulnerable person over the edge? Good for you!


um...nope..if i had meant that...i would have said that. your assumption is quite wrong. i challenged a person who ticked me off with reasonable debate but got nothing but deflection in return....but in realizing the person/people who wanted some reaction from me at my entrance to this site.....i figured debate would be the answer. i clearly made case after case.....if thats what drove him over the edge....then it was a pretty easy push.

um....if you are unclear on my meanings or how i've conducted myself....ask wayne. he's familiar with it as we've spoken on this a bit. heck he might even have a few posts of mine or know their location in which ive debated their points.

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