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Boycott Air Canada, Greyhound,
all Canadian tourism, products such as lumber, meat,
alcohol, fish until
sealclubbing is banned.
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We do what we must because we can,for the good of all of us....except the ones that are dead.

[quote="arc108"]Cindy McCain was once a rodeo queen. None of us
is the same as we were yesterday, let alone 20 or 30 years ago. God
give Mrs McCain the grace to work for the alleviation of the suffering
of Arizona's people and animals.

Her husband was bombing women in a loadable factory when
he was shot down. God give him the grace to ask forgiveness of
the Vietnamese, 4 million of whom were killed by the actions
of capitalist warprofiteers.

WHAT A BUNCH OF HORSE CRAP!!!!! The communists (you sound like one) lost half a million, and after we were pulled out while we were winning, 3 million Cambodians, South Vietnamese, and Laotians died, and the living were forced into communism. The wimp asses who caused the pullout should ask forgiveness of all the people killed or put in "re-education" camps, or that lost all their hard earned property, and freedom.

Something happened to McCain to make him become a traitor with his amnesty bill. Bought by special interests who are enemies of America.

I am the real thing, and was there, flying over 900 unarmed medical evacuations 69-70. We rescued little flower girls covered in blood from being attacked by the communists, and even some of the enemy, too. I did 50 hoist missions, do you have any idea what that is like? Do you know what unselfish sacrifice is?

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

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We do what we must because we can,for the good of all of us....except the ones that are dead.

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Up the Irons!

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

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Up the Irons!

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

When I served and if I saw combat is irrelevent as I know exactly how that aspect of the discussion will go. "You didn't serve in my time and you didn't see the combat I saw so my opinion on the subject trumps yours."

I understand Dustoff to the extent that it was an ambulatory rapid evacuation of the wounded from the battlefield by helicoptor and that the evacuations/extractions frequently occurred in the thick of combat.

You can believe that if I'm in a fight for my life that no rules will apply to my actions as well. You can call it dishonorable all you want, but I will have no compunctions about taking out the aggressor and all equipment, personnel and support by any and all means immediately available to me.

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Up the Irons!

Let's see, Tet of '68 I had one friend in a small perimeter base outside Da Nang. When the sappers came through the wire they went through the stock of ammo pretty fast. They only had 1000 rounds for the base so when they ran out they had to bug out the best they could.

Another friend was running his track up and down the length of South Vietnam trying to put on enough of a show to convince the enemy there was much more armor support than there actually was. It was a huge gamble because they never had more than 3 rounds for their main gun at any given time, but what would you expect from a unit commanded by a Patton?

Over the years we have discussed how close the Viet Cong came in '68 to being able to claim victory, and how that victory would be defined. Since a guerrilla force in a guerrilla war can never win, by definition they lost. But in the results of their action and the later success of the NVA they did win their goal. The war could and should have been fought differently in the North, which would have created a different war in the South and there would not have been such a gamble in '68. There also would not have been a US "victory" just as there was never a Japanese or French "victory" in the guerrilla wars they fought.

We have also discussed the changes in the US Army over the time. The increased number of "fragging" events, the changing rules for crossing the borders both legally and illegally to fight the enemy. The treatment of the population by the troops in a guerrilla conflict. There were things done by US troops of which none of us can be proud. Some were openly discussed as in the case of My Lai and others are only hinted at in long private conversations. For such a small random sampling of the people involved to all indicate these actions, is significant support to the claims of others with similar reports. How widespread this was cannot be clearly determined but that it did occur cannot be denied.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein