Johhny Electriglide wrote:
It's pretty well documented that we were getting our butts kicked in Viet Nam.
And after four years , we're getting our butts kicked in Iraq.
>>>>>Reports from people there say we are killing 50 to 1 of the insurgents in Iraq, but I don't know for sure because I haven't been there. Some of these reports were completely free of any censorship and from honest Americans.
Vietnam is different, I was there, in real combat in 69-70. It is not a well documented fact we were getting out butts kicked, just the opposite Read the memoirs of the enemy commander, General Giap. He said himself that he was losing and if it wasn't for people like Jane Fonda and John Kerry getting to pull the US out, he would have lost in less than two years. The Tet Offensive of '68 just about did him in with losses, while traitors like Cronkite reported falsely of the opposite. When I was there we were kicking total ass in at least 9 out of 10 battles, and I was involved in all of III & IV Corps (the whole southern half of South Vietnam). Oh, and I was there a whole tour, unlike Kerry's 3 1/4 months, and I turned down the Purple Heart, and earned and didn't get many, many more medals than he did. See the above post.
Take your shit and pile it somewhere else.
I'll take my proverbial excrement and pile it anywhere I please. You're welcome.
What does Kerry being in Viet Nam have to do with anything as it pertains to this discussion? Other than saying how much more courage you thought you displayed and the fact that you turned down a Purple Heart. Big whoop. I've got plenty of awards too from my NINE YEARS OF SERVICE in the military but not a one is an Enemy Marksmanship Badge (Purple Heart).
I have a friend of mine who just returned from a 12 month tour in Iraq. Even if the calculations are correct of a 50 to 1 ratio of guerrilla fighters being killed as compared to one American, I would say that the guerrilla's are doing a pretty good job of targetting their enemy. During his time there, his battalion, mind you, his battalion encountered over 700 IED's and purposely detonated over 200.
And yes, I call them guerrilla fighters because that is exactly what they are. The government calls them insurgents because they are rebelling against OUR government-imposed rule. I'm sure they view themselves as freedom fighters. I would expect that the citizenry of the US would conduct themsevles in a similar manner if they were invaded and overtaken by a foreign entity.
Lest one forget about the 10 Year War in Afghanistan? The Afghani's fought a guerrilla war against an invading Soviet Republic and they repelled the Soviets even though they were undermanned, undertrained and underequipped, yet supplied by outside forces. The US has now spent 4 years in Iraq, have established a puppet government and haven't completed their objective of suppressing the guerrilla fighters. You cannot defeat spirit and belief. Two aspects that the US takes pride in and is known for, rightfully so as evidenced by their defeat of the British government in the Revolutionary War and other military operations. The US is now experiencing these same qualities in a fighting force that has religion as their driving force. And a belief in religion is one of the strongest driving forces man can create.