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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:10 pm 
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The author is at facebook more. I was kicked of for 30 days for the "unusual activity" of deleting half my timeline posts for brevity. It is the growth only economy started, with unlimited low IQ overbreeder immigration, that should have been replaced right away with environmental steady state economics, and population reduction to long term sustainable without harm to the biosphere. It was the fossil fueled industrial revolution that started not only the population skyrocket, but the beginning of global warming toward a Methane Turnover Event. Too bad so much time was pissed away when the population could have been reduced less drastically and the emissions driving the present heat would not have been made, the industrialization replaced with local small manufacturing and local agriculture, with villages and no huge cities. Power replaced with non-emissions and Gen 4, fossil fuels left in the ground. Now a cooling event is needed, and a population bottleneck. Either way is not pleasant, but an ELE with many millions of years recovery is worse.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:30 pm 
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I quit facebook.

When I found out FB was reading posts, tabulating likes and dislikes and using that data to send out fraud "news" (I don't dilute it by calling it fake news) to throw a US election I decided to wipe my data and get out of there.

Those are not my values, and by letting FB sell my data I was in effect aiding and abetting election rigging. Now I don't care if they were rigging it for the candidate I favored or was opposed to, I cannot in good conscience be a part of that.

I know there are people on there who are trying to convince others about the right way to think, but I was completely unsuccessful at that.

So when that Cambridge Analytica thing was exposed, I said "Bye Bye".

I fear we are doomed.

I had two children when there were 3 billion on the planet and joined Zero Population Growth (ZPG) and when enough people joined and it started to work, just about every TV show, radio show, and movie had a woman saying "My biological clock is ticking" meaning she needed to have more children before menopause.

Now we are approaching 8 billion and corporate greed just wants perpetual growth until the planet is destroyed.

I'm thinking capitalism is a bad idea, but I am not smart enough to know how to fix it or what to replace it with.

So I'll continue to keep my 1/2 acre full of dozens of trees, produce only about a square foot of garbage per week, keep my roof white, refuse to run the air conditioner, drive like I'm in the historic Mobil Economy Run to get 100 extra miles per tankful, and do everything I can do to lessen my impact on the planet. And my neighbor has a giant diesel truck which idles for hours in his yard, waters a lawn, has two huge bins of trash per week, and keeps his house at about 68 degrees while he believes everything Fox tells him.

I think I'm seeing the beginning of the end, and when my grandchildren suffer, I will have done my best for them.

Bob :(


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:07 am 
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Millions in this world have died for trivial reasons.
Millions in this world have killed for trivial reasons.

Millions in this world have died and killed for Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions.

When it comes to environment, the most important thing on earth (without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist) people are quite content to just engage in billions of pages of discussion, debate and argument, which is not saving an iota of environment.

The planet is dying.....It is gasping for last breath.

Radical Actions are needed.

Drastic measures are needed.

Industrial Activity must be stopped.

By any means, By all means.

Right Now.

A few years later would be too late.
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This planet is very small........Just 40,000 km in circumference.

Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Forest man destroyed environment only for food.

Agrarian man destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.

Industrial man has destroyed Exponential Extra Environment.

EXPONENTIAL EXTRA ENVIRONMENT.

It is the urban population of industrial society that has destroyed exponential extra environment.

A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because industrialization has increased human population to over 7 billion from 1 billion in 1800 AD.

The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.........Millions of other species only get food from earth.

Give free food to the urban population but immediately stop urban work for production of thousands of consumer goods........A fraction of world population is already producing food for entire population.
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Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of world population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:22 am 
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IMO All the current environmental (and most other) problems can be traced to this: Too many people had too many babies and too many people are continuing to have too many babies.

But of course, that's what capitalism/corporationalism wants. The stock needs to grow and grow and grow. More widgets must be sold quarter after quarter or the stock will fall and the stockholders will jump ship. A perpetually increasing population solves a big part of that problem. More customers mean more sales.

But the earth is a finite, closed system, and we like an algae bloom in a pond are starting to kill our host 'pond'.

Global solutions are needed, but since the corporations are global and since those corporations essentially run different governments that they keep fighting among themselves, it seems to me that nothing can be done.

Communism didn't work either. There must be something in-between but I have no idea what that might be. Someone smarter than myself about such things might be able to come up with a solution.

Just thinking out loud here... ... ... ...

We need to limit population to one child per couple. After the first child, DNA check and sterilize both parents.

Break up the monopolistic corporations to small, competing entities.

Any new stock must be only to someone who physically works for the corporation. This solves the perpetual growth problem. No freeloaders (non participating stockholders) expecting more and more and more profits quarter after quarter after quarter.

Get corporations out of governments.

Huge fines for cutting down trees. No new development on either undeveloped, agriculture, or park lands. If it doesn't have a building on it, you can't clear and build. Tear down the old to build new.

Move people to cities, and turn the suburbs back to woodlands and/or farmlands.

I could go on and on and on but none of this will happen in my lifetime if it happens at all.

It's not about saving the earth, the earth will go on, it's about saving our species - saving our own asses to be blunt.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:49 pm 
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Bob-a-rama wrote:
IMO All the current environmental (and most other) problems can be traced to this: Too many people had too many babies and too many people are continuing to have too many babies.


Human species is not the only species on earth.......There are millions of other species on earth.......The combined population of millions of other species was millions of times greater than the current human population (before they were decimated by industrial society), yet they did not destroy environment in millions of years.

What has destroyed environment is this.

Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.

Production of thousands of consumer goods and services has destroyed this planet in just hundred years.
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sushilydv wrote:
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Human species is not the only species on earth.......There are millions of other species on earth.......The combined population of millions of other species was millions of times greater than the current human population (before they were decimated by industrial society), yet they did not destroy environment in millions of years.
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True, but the earth will only support so much life. So the more humans are born, the less resources for other life has, including our food species.

When I was a kid, my father used to breed tropical fish. He had many huge aquariums. They would only support so much life, like the earth, but on a smaller scale. When one species reproduced too vigorously, others would die out. Thinning of the tanks were necessary for all to survive.

IMHO We need to voluntarily thin the human population on this planet.

And yes, because we are overpopulated, we need to stop spending money on unnecessary consumer goods as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:32 am 
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Elections are the biggest fraud of industrial society.......Changing governments doesn't change anything........The Industrial system is run by the urban population........Urban population remains the same before and after elections.......All evil corporations, institutions and organizations keep running the same way before and after elections.

All industrial governments are the same........All industrial governments are equally harmful, destructive and evil.

Industrial governments have destroyed this planet with industrial activity in hundred years.

You have to stop industrial governments not vote them back to power again and again through elections.

A gunman is killing hundreds of people in an act of mass shooting........You have to stop the shooting........You have to stop the shooter.......You cannot save the victims by replacing a Democrat Gunman with a Republican or Green Gunman.
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Industrial governments have destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.......Industrial governments have decimated millions of land and marine species.

You have to stop industrial governments........You have to eradicate, abolish, dismantle industrial society.

Voting is not your right........Voting is your crime.

A brakeless car is heading towards a cliff.......Instead of stopping the car the passengers are fighting over who would drive the car for the next four years.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath.......Instead of eradicating, abolishing, dismantling industrial society people are busy holding elections for industrial governments.
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Industrial governments are governments of urban people, by urban people, for urban people.......Urban people run corporations........Industrial governments are governments of corporations, by corporations, for corporations.

Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.
The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.
The crime goes unchecked because 50% of world population is now urban.
The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.

For hundred years the urban population of industrial society has been fooling the non-urban population with figures and terminologies.......Progress, Development, Growth Rate, Economy Rate, GDP.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:34 pm 
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sushilydv wrote:
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Elections are the biggest fraud of industrial society.......Changing governments doesn't change anything........<...snip...>

Until someone finds a solution, I choose to vote for the lesser of the two evil candidates.

Sad, but true.


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