Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Here AF, you need to read through this site to get some ideas;
This is about a group that wants to spread the truth without rancor or racism. This is really a MUST read.
http://citizenwarriors.com/2010/07/white-roses.htmlhere is an important link there, with many more;
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/10/l ... islam.html
and one of the very important links;
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/10/t ... ption.html
more;
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/06/w ... orism.html
It is very important that people of the world of all faiths or even atheists, of every political bent, to know these things that could threaten them or their loved ones' lives.
This may get pulled by the powers that be, again. Obama is a moslem (intentional disrespect intended);
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28I never heard of this "citizenwarrior" site before, but now that I've glossed over a few items - especially their fear-mongering stories and videos on the threat of Islam, I have enough info to conclude that this is just one more extreme right wing hate group looking for outsiders to rally their followers to fight against! Ten years ago...certainly immediately after 9-11, I was open to this sort of thinking and read a lot of the anti-Islam writings of Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Sam Harris, and some others who I realized later were just copying what had already been written in other books. In a nutshell, the most cogent argument that Islam as a religion and ideology represents an implacable enemy that cannot be harmonized with western democratic values. But, the argument from Spencer (and Harris regarding all religion) is that "moderate" or liberalized western Muslims who appear friendly and compatible with our way of life, are only compatible because they do not truly follow their own religion! In interviews on the subject, Spencer likes to use the analogy of a campfire -- where, the closer you are to the fire, the more heat you feel...and further away from the fire - less so. So for Spencer, the "fire" itself of Islamic ideology has to be rigidly based on the most literal interpretation of the Quran and Hadiths. And the "true" muslims would be the ones who are right next to the fire, and as a result desire to kill all infidels and conquer the whole world for Islam. And those moderate Muslims who we might have as neighbours and work with....well, they just don't understand their own religion, or they are covert agents for Islam since they are aware they live among infidels. Surely anyone can see where this line of thinking is going to lead to!
As I mentioned before, Harris applies this to Christians as well to argue that all organized religion needs to be destroyed. But, since Spencer calls himself a devout Catholic, he has to make sure that nobody asks him to explain some of the verses in the Bible - especially the Old Testament, which go even further in violence and dehumanizing enemies...enforced sexual slavery for example....yes, it's in your Bible! You can find it if you really want to. But, Spencer makes lame arguments that Christianity had its past indiscretions, like inquisitions, heresy convictions and ethnic cleansings even of Jewish converts who were suspected of not being loyal Catholics (Conversos). But Spencer says that we had the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, so Christendom is all better now and there is no danger of our religion backsliding to the shear brutality of its past. I disagree, but there is another problem for Spencer and his fans, in that he never explains how we in the West should deal with Muslims living among us. From his fireside argument, a follower could reasonably assume that no Muslim can be trusted and allowed to remain....and that would explain the mosque burnings, the hysterical reaction of the "Ground Zero Mosque"...which wasn't a mosque, and wasn't at Ground Zero, but be that as it may, this rhetoric is not only a problem with rightwing activists, it has also found its way into the NYPD as their propaganda videos are included in training police officers about Islam and how to deal with Muslims. The NYPD has gone so far in profiling Muslims and seeking out Muslim terrorist sleeper cells that they have recently ran afoul of the FBI for setting up surveillance operations of suspected Muslims outside of their own jurisdiction- the City of New York.
What the anti-Muslim stuff boils down to in the end is the search for a new scapegoat to take the place of foreign enemy to fight after the Soviet Union collapsed. Osama Bin Laden turns out to be the greatest friend the militias, the military industrial complex, and all of the special interests who place "security" ahead of freedom, ever could have asked for, because instead of fighting against U.S. proxies and American troops overseas, he decided to take his war to U.S. soil and target the very center of international banking which finances multinational capitalism (I want to focus on WTC because the Pentagon was lesser significance). But, the bombings of the WTC towers did not accomplish his goal of bringing down the international banking system because among the more than 2000 casualties, most of them were mere office workers pushing paper and doing the routine jobs for the planners and financial analysts at Goldman-Sachs and other major investment banks that were headquartered in those towers. Goldman-Sachs came back bigger than ever and virtually runs Wall Street and the Washington establishment for that matter.....the oil conglomerates would be their only possible competing interests....nevertheless, the blowback for the entire Arab World and Muslims living in the West has been to unleash a ruthless response of invasions and occupations to control the regions with the last remaining significant oil reserves.
The real, unadulterated truth in my opinion is that the problem of hostilities and aggressions from Muslim nations and significant populations has been powered by their own sense of once being rulers of the known world, and then to not only be displaced by rising Western powers, but to end up being economic and military colonies of the foreign infidels. Now, if you find the way some Muslim leaders have reacted to colonization -- apparently more violently than most of Latin America has to U.S. colonization -- then you should hold that thought as we are observing the increasingly violent and unbalanced reactions from various parts of the U.S. political right, as they try to continue living in denial about the clear fact that the United States of America is a military and commercial empire that is already in the process of collapsing! And I say that because, like every other empire that has proceeded it, the U.S. Empire is already bankrupt, but cannot stop financing its global war machine because it's domestic economy is dependent on the continued flow of oil and other natural resources, as well as the flow of cheap manufactured imports for its consumers. The last chance to stop the plunge over the precipice was when Barack Obama was elected president four years ago, and at the time had a Democratic Congress, and yet he and his advisers calculated that the costs of ending the empire outweighed the benefits. If he is turfed out this year by the Republican puppet, the same...if not more rapid....march to oblivion will occur! The only unknown, and the most scary aspect of what will occur in the next 5 to 10 years, is how the American right will react. My hunch is that based on the violence and the vitriol in the rhetoric I have read in recent years, it will be worse than anything done in the name of Islam. The worst terrorist threat of the near future will be waving the cross and proclaiming their Christian virtues to us all.
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