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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:46 am 
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Every job, every profession of industrial society is destructive.........Every institution, every organization of industrial society is destructive........Every activity of industrial society is destructive.......why???........Because you need electricity, oil, buildings, transportation, consumer goods and services for every job, profession, institution, organization and activity of industrial society.

Production and use of these things has destroyed forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.......Production and use of these things has decimated millions of land and marine species.......Production and use of these things has generated billions of tonnes of plastic waste, chemical waste, gaseous waste, e-waste and hundreds of thousands of tonnes of the most hazardous nuclear waste.
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Billions of urban people working in millions of industries and corporations, government offices and NGOs will never try to bring down the system because they are getting salaries and packages from the very system that is killing the planet.......They are getting profits and funds from the very system that is killing all life and life sustaining things on earth.
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For hundred years the urban population of industrial society has been fooling the non-urban population with numbers, figures and terminologies.......Progress, Development, Growth Rate, Economy Rate, GDP.
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If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.
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If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.
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That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Urban jobs and professions have destroyed the planet.

The entire urban population of industrial society is criminal.

The crime goes unchecked because 50% of world population is now urban.

The crime goes unchecked because urban population is running the system.
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How can one species get food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services on a small planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference when millions of other species got only food from earth for millions of years???

Height of Insanity........Insanity raised to the power of Infinity.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:11 pm 
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The Capitalistic need for ever-increasing profits has got to stop or there is no hope for humanity.

The environment can heal itself with our help, but right now we are still in the process of destroying it.

If we don't drastically change our ways, we will get to a point where the environment will no longer be able to repair itself in a way to support human life.

As long as we have the quest for endless and greater profits, I don't see us ever avoiding that point.

Greed is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:17 am 
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This planet provided food to millions of species for millions of years........Industrial society has degraded and destroyed this planet so much that it is now primarily providing food to just one species, the human species.........96% of all mammals on earth by weight/ numbers are now made up of humans and their cattle.........If industrial activity is not stopped immediately even humans will not get food from earth.

The amount of food this planet provided to millions of species for millions of years was millions of times greater than the food industrial society is growing and consuming today.

The total weight of ants in this world is estimated to be equivalent to or greater than the total weight of humans (even after decimation of ants due to destruction of billions of acres of forests by industrial activity)........The amount of food consumed by ants is equivalent to or greater than the amount of food consumed by humans.

When millions of other species had not been decimated they consumed millions of times more food than what humans are consuming today.
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If industrial activity for production of thousands of consumer goods is not stopped immediately, the whole world is going to die from starvation and thirst in the coming years.

Industry is destroying agriculture.......If industrial activity for production of thousands of consumer goods is not stopped immediately, there will be no agriculture of any kind left in this world.......There will be no industrial agriculture, no organic agriculture, no permaculture.......Every kind of agriculture will be destroyed.......Every method of food production will get destroyed.

People think science and technology is feeding people, Green revolution is providing food to people.......The reality is science and technology is going to destroy all food in the coming years........What is going to happen to food will be exactly like what has already happened to water........Science and technology invented diesel and electric pumps to take out ground water........For hundred years there was a lot of water........Now there is hardly any water left below the soil.

For hundred years river water was pumped to cities hundreds of kilometers away from the river.......Global warming has led to drastic shrinking of glaciers........Rivers are dying and turning into trickles.......What will you do with diesel and electric pumps when rivers will cease to exist???
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Industrial society is destroying agriculture by destroying fertile soil and by changing global weather with industrial activity.

Billions of acres of agricultural soil has been destroyed by industry.

Agriculture requires regularity of weather........It requires heat, cold and rain at the right time and in the right measure.

Global weather is regulated by Forest Cover, Ice Cover, Ocean Temperature and Atmospheric Temperature........Industrial activity has decimated Forest Cover.........Industrial activity has decimated Ice Cover / Glaciers........Oceans and the Atmosphere have been made warmer.........These changes have made the weather extreme, irregular and unpredictable........This has led to drastic increase in the intensity and frequency of Droughts, Floods, Storms, Cyclones, Periods of Extreme Heat and Cold........Agricultural production has already been affected by these changes........Agriculture is going to collapse completely in the near future.

Man has already decimated fish in the oceans with industrial fishing.

The land and the sea are the only two sources of food on earth.........Industrial man has destroyed both.
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You need water to drink.........You need water for irrigation / agriculture.

Industrial activity is melting and shrinking glaciers that give birth to snow fed rivers in this world.........Rivers that originate from springs and streams in mountains and forests are dying because industry has destroyed mountains and forests.........Most rivers will cease to exist very soon.

Industrial society has already destroyed millions of ponds and lakes with construction industry and other industries........Groundwater reserves have already been depleted by diesel and electric pumps
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No Food.........No Water.

End of man on earth.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am 
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Industrial society running on electricity and oil has destroyed this planet in hundred years.........Instead of eradicating industrial society people have wasted time criticizing and blaming agrarian society for creation/ emergence of industrial society........Suppose your house catches fire due to short circuit.........You will rush to save the house Or keep watching the fire cursing the man who invented electricity???

A hundred storey building catches fire on the ground floor..........You will rush to save the building Or keep watching the fire saying the 10th floor caught fire because the 9th floor caught fire........The 50th floor caught fire because the 49th floor caught fire........The 100th floor caught fire because the 99th floor caught fire.
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Discussion and, debate is the final madness of industrial society........Instead of saving the planet people will keep debating till the last moment of human existence on earth.

Billions of pages of debate is a disease and insanity of industrial society that invented the print industry, radio, television, computer, smart phone, internet and social media.

Billions of pages of debate is another toxic waste of industrial society which has also produced billions of tonnes of plastic waste, chemical waste, gaseous waste and e-waste.
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Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth........There is no way, absolutely no way agrarian society could have destroyed the planet like industrial society has done.

Agrarian society did not destroy oceans.........Oceans were almost 100% safe in agrarian stage.........Agrarian society did not destroy the atmosphere with billions of tonnes of industrial gases, automobile exhaust, airline and shipping exhaust.........Agrarian society destroyed only a fraction of forests destroyed by industrial society.........Industrial society has destroyed forests for agriculture PLUS industry..........Agrarian society destroyed forests only for agriculture.

Environmental collapse happens when you destroy all three ecosystems - Forests, Oceans and Atmosphere.........Only industrial society has destroyed all three.......Only industrial society could have destroyed all three.

Hundred years of industrial activity has destroyed what nature created in millions of years.
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Living in industrial society was not even an option.......Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.......Humans lived in food searching society for hundreds of thousands of years.......In food producing society for about 10,000 years.......Consumer goods producing industrial society is the anomaly /aberration........Industrial society running on electricity and oil has existed for just about hundred years.......Duration of industrial society is so small that it is almost zero percent of total human existence on earth.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:24 pm 
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Humans have destroyed this planet.......Humans deserve the punishment that is coming........the tragedy is millions of other species got decimated for no fault of theirs.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:17 am 
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Industrial society saying green energy will save environment is like the meat industry saying slaughter houses running on green energy will save animals.........It is like the weapon industry saying weapons produced with green energy will stop wars and terrorism.

It is like the cigarette industry saying cigarettes produced with green energy will save lungs..........It is like the liquor industry saying alcohol produced with green energy will save livers.
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solar energy, hydro energy, wind energy........all these are as harmful, destructive and evil as thermal energy.

Where do solar panels come from?.........Are they imported from Mars?...........Manufacturing of billions of solar panels destroys huge amounts of environment.........It requires mining industry, manufacturing industry, energy generation industry, transportation industry all of which are big destroyers of environment.

Construction of mega solar plants across the world has destroyed millions of acres of fertile soil and billions of trees..........All solar plants don't come up in deserts or barren land.
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Wind energy destroys environment the same way like solar energy.

Hydro energy promotes dams which block and destroy rivers.
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Every method of energy generation destroys environment........You merely replace one kind of environmental destruction with another kind.

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Production of electricity by any method destroys environment.

Use of electricity destroys many times more environment than production of electricity..

once you produce electricity you use it to run mining industry, manufacturing industry, construction industry, automobile and rail industry, airline and shipping industry, meat and fishing industry........all these industries collectively destroy many times more environment than production of electricity.
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Absence of electricity and oil saved this planet for millions of years.

Use of electricity and oil has destroyed this planet in hundred years.
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Electric car scam is the next big scam in the list of never ending scams of industrial society.

Electric car will save this world from diesel and petrol cars just like capitalism saved this world from communism and socialism.

Electric car is as harmful, destructive and evil as diesel and petrol cars.

Green car is an oxymoron........It is like peaceful war,

All kinds of cars destroy environment..........You merely replace one kind of environmental destruction with another kind.

You would need huge amounts of electricity for daily charging of billions of electric cars.........Electricity industry is one of the biggest destroyers of environment.

manufacturing the body of electric car and hundreds of its components will destroy environment just like manufacturing the body of diesel/ petrol cars and hundreds of their components destroyed environment.

construction of millions of kilometers of highways, expressways for electric cars will destroy millions of acres of soil just like construction of millions of kilometers of highways, expressways for diesel / petrol cars destroyed millions of acres of soil.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 3:28 am 
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Industrial society which has been killing millions of people every year for the last fifty years by destroying billions of tonnes of oxygen in the atmosphere and replacing it with billions of tonnes of toxic industrial gases, smoke and dust is now trying to save people with oxygen cylinders, concentrators and ventilators.

Industrial society which has been killing millions of people every year for the last fifty years by destroying billions of acres of forests that produced billions of tonnes of oxygen every year is now trying to save people with oxygen cylinders, concentrators and ventilators.

It is like destroying the sun and then expecting a lamp to do the work of the sun............Polluted and poisoned air has already weakened the lungs and immune system of billions of people around the world.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2021 5:23 pm 
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"Industrial Society" has done its dirty work with the inducement of a rapid methane turnover omnicide event indicated with the collapse of Arctic sea ice starting in 1980. With momentum time, the world should have been emissions-free about 1950.

There never should have been a jet or diesel age, never a "green revolution" in agriculture, never a fossil fueled industrial age. Basically society had to be using resources no faster than they could be replenished, regenerated, or recharged. Plus, pollution seen and unseen never more than the biosphere's ability to process in a fairly short time.

Over compassion, over tolerance, over-breeding for the global conditions at hand, general stupidity of the species, and greed itself should never have been allowed to fester as infections of the human spirit. These things led to the use of fossil fuels 50K times their regeneration rate and with it put a hundred times the CO2 that plant life could convert to O2 and sequestered carbon.
Then CO2 began its relentless rise to the present 420ppm, while toxins are everywhere, trash is everywhere, even if in the form of tiny plastic spheres. Much is unseen, and much is not imagined.

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No one tried to save animals, trees, air, water, soil before industrialization.........No one tried to save forests, rivers, oceans, glaciers, atmosphere before industrialization.........No one tried to save millions of land and marine species before industrialization.........No one tried to solve the problem of plastic waste, chemical waste, gaseous waste, e-waste, nuclear waste before industrialization..........In the absence of industrial activity the environment got saved automatically.

For millions of years before industrialization, environment was not saved by activists, organizations, discussion, debate, philosophy or terminology........It was saved by the absence of industrial activity........It was saved by the absence of industrial society..

The only way to save the little environment that is left on earth is by eradicating, abolishing, dismantling industrial society.
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Eradicate, abolish, dismantle industrial society right now........Industrial society is going to collapse like a house of cards within the next few years.........Dismantle it voluntarily........Unplanned collapse will lead to Total Chaos, Mass Murder and Total Contamination of this planet.

There are three options.

We continue with present lifestyle.
We use force/ sabotage to stop industrial society.
We dismantle industrial society voluntarily.
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If we continue with present lifestyle there will be severe shortage of food and water in the coming years..........agriculture which requires regularity of weather will be destroyed by global warming / climate change........rivers will cease to exist because of melting, shrinking and vanishing glaciers........humans will be wiped out in the next few years and the planet will be totally destroyed.
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If we use force/ sabotage to stop industrial society humans will still get wiped out in the next few years and the planet will be contaminated / poisoned for thousands of years.......If force/ sabotage is used, cities will collapse first when supply of food and water will be disrupted......Billions of city people will rush out in search of food, water and land......They will first wipe out the villagers and small communities because they will have the advantage of numbers......Then they will fight each other for control of food, water and land......There will be no survivors......Only very few living in very remote areas of the world will survive.
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If force/ sabotage is used to stop industrial society this planet will be so contaminated that living would be worse than death.......There are 600 nuclear plants in this world where nuclear material has to be monitored continuously to avoid chain reaction and melting.......If force / sabotage is used these nuclear plants will start exploding like chernobyl and fukushima poisoning the entire planet with radioactive dust.
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The only solution that can work is voluntary dismantling of industrial society.

A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because industrialization has increased human population to over 7 billion from 1 billion in 1800 AD.

Give free food to the urban population but immediately stop urban work for production of thousands of consumer goods........A fraction of world population is already producing food for entire population.

This planet is very small........Just 40,000 km in circumference.

Millions of other species destroyed environment only for food.

Forest man destroyed environment only for food.

Agrarian man destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial man has destroyed environment for food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services.

Industrial man has destroyed Exponential Extra Environment.

EXPONENTIAL EXTRA ENVIRONMENT.

It is the urban population of industrial society that has destroyed exponential extra environment.

The collective work of human society must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.........Millions of other species only got food from earth.

Give free food to the urban population but immediately stop urban work for production of thousands of consumer goods........A fraction of world population is already producing food for entire population.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:17 am 
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I think industrial society will stop when crops can no longer be grown from global heat gain. The demand will be gone, and the personnel to run industry, dead. All the plants and animals we needed and loved, dead.
Then the relentless acid rains of 100,000 years wipe out organics and many metals from the land, concrete dissolved and washed away. Not much left except some fossils.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:14 pm 
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More and more I think we are well on the road to extinction. We'll get to a tipping point where we cannot correct, and when we realize that it'll be too late.

I hope I'm wrong.


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There were two major switchovers in human society.........from food searching to food producing society and from food producing to consumer goods producing society.

when the first switchover happened, humans were not aware of the small size of this planet and the finite resources it contained..........so the first switchover was totally excusable.

the second switch over was not excusable.........what happened in the last hundred years was totally criminal.........humans were fully aware of the small size of planet and the finite resources it contained.........industrial humans knew the dimensions of the planet.........they saw the small planet from outer space and yet they kept on producing thousands of consumer goods and services without asking one simple question.

How can one species get food, clothing, shelter PLUS thousands of consumer goods and services on a small planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference when millions of other species got only food from earth for millions of years???

Height of Insanity........Insanity raised to the power of Infinity.
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Living in industrial society was not even an option.......Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth

Humans lived in food searching society for hundreds of thousands of years.......In food producing society for about 10,000 years.......Consumer goods producing industrial society is the anomaly /aberration........Industrial society running on electricity and oil has existed for just about hundred years.

Duration of industrial society is so small that it is almost zero percent of total human existence on earth.
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Only food searching / food producing societies were sustainable on earth........Only physical work was sustainable..........Consumer goods producing society has destroyed the planet in hundred years..........Mental work / Desk jobs have destroyed the planet in hundred years.

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Olympics and World Championships.......You can know the end of this world is very near when people cry when their country loses a medal but feel nothing when this planet loses forests, rivers, oceans, glaciers, atmosphere........when this planet loses millions of land and marine species.........when this planet loses in hundred years what nature created in millions of years.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath but billions of industrial citizens don;t even notice because they have been drugged 24x7 by sports and gaming industry, film and television industry, music and entertainment industry, liquor and narcotics industry, hotel and restaurant industry, tourism and vacation industry, shopping and e-commerce industry, news and debate industry.


Olympics Maniacs........The planet is losing every game, match and tournament in this world.

Every industry has destroyed this planet.......Sports industry is no exception.........Billions of Trees and millions of acres of fertile soil, farm land, forest land were destroyed to build hundreds of thousands of stadiums for hundreds of sports in this world.

Production of billions of tonnes of sports equipment has destroyed environment.

Sports industry / Stadiums are one of the biggest consumers of electricity.........Electricity industry is one of the biggest destroyers of this planet.

Sports industry has promoted airline industry, transportation industry, tourism industry, construction industry, hotel industry, television industry.........All these industries have collectively destroyed the planet.

Sports industry has promoted advertising industry.........Advertising industry is the biggest promoter of consumerism..........Consumerism is the biggest destroyer of this planet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:30 pm 
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Governments throughout history have distracted the masses with sports.

I don't watch them, I don't participate in them, to me, they are boring. I don't know these people and therefore have no desire to live my life vicariously through them.

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The remnants of industrial society will be resistant to the acid rain of 100,000 years. There will be evidence left, but will intelligent life evolve again in many millions of years? Will they dig up and understand what happened to mankind? :-({|= :-({|= :-({|=

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