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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:59 am 
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A person is being stabbed repeatedly at regular intervals - every hour.

Some people are trying to save the victim.

The sane way to save is - you first stop the attack – you prevent the attack.

What these insane people do - they allow the attack to be continued. They don’t stop it -- they don’t prevent it.

Instead, what they do - They say we are going to save the victim by using technology - the best technology - the best medical care.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.



They give the victim the best technology - the best medical care.
In the meantime the stabbing continues – every hour – even while the best medical care is being given.

One can imagine the fate of the victim.


Ecosystems are getting destroyed due to production of consumer goods.

The sane way of saving ecosystems is - you stop production of consumer goods - you reduce production of consumer goods to the minimum level.

But the insane Industrial Society continues producing consumer goods [ in fact production is being increased every day]

The insane response of Industrial Society is - We will save the environment with technology - the best technology.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.

Bring this technology - Bring that technology.



In the meantime production of consumer goods continues - 3 billion people living in cities are engaged in - making , buying and selling of consumer goods - killing the ecosystems moment by moment.

One can imagine the fate of environment.

Industrial society is insane - Industrial Society is abnormal.

Destroy consumerism before it is too late.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:58 am 
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So you'll be getting rid of your computer very soon then ?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:17 am 
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Can there be middle ground on this? Do we have to get rid of all technology or can we take a step or two back and let the lessons learned be our guide?

I'm just not sure living in caves; with our off-spring dying from ailments they could be cured of, is a format for human-living. We need to live with nature and our fellow earth-citizens(critters). I'm not convinced throwing out all technogy will help either people or the earth.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:45 am 
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Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

It is highly amazing that people have taken for granted a lifestyle that has barely existed for 50 - 100 years.

People started thinking "this is the way to live".

This is not the way to live - This is the way to die.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things[animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things[consumer goods].

People who are going for infinite growth and development on a small planet [whose circumference is just 40,000 km] are insane, abnormal and criminal.


In the context of Industrial Society someone has said :

"It is like adding extra floors to your building by removing bricks from the lower floor/ foundation."

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:31 am 
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Howdy, Sushilydv. Haven't heard from you in a while.

I won't rehash my line of thinking from before, but there is bad in the modern world and there is good. We just have to avoid the one while working on the other.


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People started thinking "this is the way to live".

This is not the way to live - This is the way to die.


Might explain that group of people in India that beat the CEO to death because they lost their jobs. Over here we give them a golden parachute. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:03 am 
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its a good subject really..thanks for posting this.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:41 pm 
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No problem, Paul. And all those links to goofy video games really adds to the dicussion. Thanx.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:13 pm 
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Work has destroyed ecosystems.

Work has become a source of destruction in Industrial Society.

On a small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

Most of the 3 billion people living in cities - 50% of world population - are engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

It is very important to understand the reasons for doing work.

Why do we work?

It is generally thought that people work because - they are smart, intelligent and hardworking. People work in order to feed themselves and their families.

Above reasons are totally wrong.

In the East sages had discovered thousands of years ago that people cannot stop working. People work because they cannot stop working.

Anyone who wants proof of this can try the following. Take leave from work for 10 days. Try to sleep continuously. Try to indulge in pleasure/ entertainment continuously. Try to relax continuously.

The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

When we stop physical work and mental work, the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.

People work because they cannot stop working.

It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort. A large number of people in the east have tried to do this but very few have succeeded - maybe a few hundred or a few thousand in the entire history. Stopping work is not an option for most people living in this world.

Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. These people cannot do farming in cities. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things - leading to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

Our small planet which is only 40,000 km in circumference cannot sustain a city-based industrial society.

A city-based industrial society destroys necessary things for making unnecessary things.

A city-based industrial society destroys animals, trees, air, water and land for making consumer goods.

In a city-based industrial society work turns into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.

Such a society ends up destroying the ecosystems - the very things that have created and sustained life on earth.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:18 pm 
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So, given what we have, what you think we need, and the only precedent not being an option for most people, what DO you propose we do, Sushi?

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Fosgate wrote:
So, given what we have, what you think we need, and the only precedent not being an option for most people, what DO you propose we do, Sushi?


The west has taken the copyrights to making all solutions in this world. Look at all the grand solutions that are being made in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The two things that have destroyed ecosystems are - overpopulation and overconsumerism.

A lot of efforts have been made to control/ reduce population. Without these efforts population would be much more than the 6.5 billion people we have today.

What about consumerism?

No effort has been made to reduce consumerism. Every country has been increasing its growth rate, economy rate and GDP over the last 100 years.

The number of consumer goods in most homes has been steadily increasing over the years.

Humans are collectively destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods.

What can be cut? - what can be reduced/ eliminated?

It is the consumer goods.

We need to reduce production and consumption of consumer goods to the barest minimum.

People who are going for Infinite growth and development on a tiny planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference are insane, abnormal and criminal.

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".


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Ahhh...... no real answers just more ranting. Figures.
No nice way to say we need to kill off millions of people, destroy the civilization we have built and revert to breaking our backs hoeing a few rows of veggies. So we can walk to the village tomorrow to trade some of our cabbages for some salt so we can preserve the rest of our cabbages.

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Other then that it's ok, though. :-s


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:25 am 
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The west has taken the copyrights to making all solutions in this world.


Well as long as you have a place to lay all blame. :roll:


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sammyd wrote:
Ahhh...... no real answers just more ranting. Figures.
No nice way to say we need to kill off millions of people, destroy the civilization we have built and revert to breaking our backs hoeing a few rows of veggies. So we can walk to the village tomorrow to trade some of our cabbages for some salt so we can preserve the rest of our cabbages.


What is your solution?

consume, consume, consume ..... and destroy the ecosystems.

Continue with the Great American Dream which has turned into a Nightmare for the planet - 5% of world population consuming 40% of resources.

Is the solution going to come from the president of the country who was recently asked to reduce consumption to save ecosystems and he replied :

Our way of living cannot be compromised.


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