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Some other examples I found:

Joseph Hunter, 17, MURDERED Dorothy Woodham, 86, clubbed with a fireplace shovel, strangled, and stabbed 16 times.

An old woman only strangled, beaten, and stabbed 16 times ..... not even a month per stab if convicted in juvenille court.

Frank Vigil, 16, MURDERED Brandy Duvall, 14, gang raped and stabbed 28 times, bled to death.

A young girl only gang raped and stabbed 28 times ..... again, not even a month per stab if convicted in juvenille court. Nothing cruel or unusual about being gang raped first either.

Marcus Clouatre, 17, MURDERED Douglas Sparr, 34, son of a federal court judge, bound and gagged, blindfolded, stabbed, and hit on the head, strangled with cords and had bleach poured down his throat.

Nothing cruel or unusual happened to Mr. Sparr ... really.

Terrance Wilder, 17, MURDERED Joel England, 24 and Roderaick Marable, 38, beaten to death.

Two beaten to death. That would be less than six months per murder at most if conviceted as a juvenille.

Merle Mangum, 17, MURDERED Janet Davis, 42, and daughter Jennifer, 11, beaten to death.

Two more beaten to death, but one is only a kid so it should not count as much. Still less than six months each murder if tried in juvenille court.

Alexander Pogosyan, 17, MURDERED Edgardo Moralles, Jr., 18, Zach Obert, 18, Penny Bowman-Meida, 37, Greg Media 18, Marissa Avalos, 16, shot to death on the Labor Day holiday.

Five murders, so why stop at one if the sentence would be the same either way? Less than a year for one murder or less than two months each for six?

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It seems the youngest person convicted of muder and sentenced to life without parole in the US did not spend that much time in prison for that conviction. He did get convicted for ohter crimes shortly after getting out though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Tate

Lionel Alexander Tate (born January 30, 1987)[1] is the youngest American citizen ever sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole. In January 2001, when Tate was 14, he was convicted of first-degree murder for the 1999 battering death of 6-year-old Tiffany Eunick in Broward County, Florida.

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After the conviction, the prosecution openly joined Tate's plea for leniency in sentencing, and even offered to help in his appeal. The trial judge criticized the prosecution for compromising the integrity of the adversarial system, and said that if the prosecution felt that life imprisonment was not warranted, they should not have charged him with murder in the first place.

In January 2004, a state appeals court overturned his conviction on the basis that his mental competency had not been evaluated before trial. This opened the way for Tate to accept the same plea deal he originally turned down, and he was released on one year's house arrest and 10 years' probation.

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On May 23, 2005, Tate was charged with armed burglary with battery, armed robbery and violation of probation, the Broward County Sheriff's Office said.

Tate threatened Domino's Pizza deliveryman Walter Ernest Gallardo with a handgun outside a friend's apartment after phoning in an order. Gallardo dropped the four pizzas and fled the scene. Tate then re-entered the apartment, assaulting the occupant who did not want Tate inside.

Gallardo called 9-1-1 upon reaching the Domino's store and returned to identify Tate, the sheriff's office said in a statement. No gun was recovered.

On March 1, 2006, Tate accepted a plea bargain and was to be sentenced to 10–30 years imprisonment in a sentencing hearing in April 2006. Tate admitted that he had violated probation by possessing a gun during the May 23 robbery that netted four pizzas worth $33.60, but he has refused to answer questions about where he got and later disposed of the gun. He was allowed to withdraw his guilty plea for robbery, but was finally sentenced to 30 years in prison on May 18, 2006 for violating probation. On October 24, 2007, Florida's 4th District Court of Appeal upheld that sentence.[11]

On February 19, 2008, Tate pleaded no contest to the pizza robbery and was sentenced to 10 years in state prison. The sentence will run concurrently with his 30 year sentence for violating his probation.[12]

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A recent case that went against the claim:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8667627

A 14-year-old Pennsylvania boy accused of killing his father's pregnant fiancée and her unborn child will be sent to an undisclosed juvenile facility where he could remain in state custody until his 21st birthday.

Jordan Brown, who was 11 at the time of the slayings, was ordered by a Lawrence County judge on Friday to be transferred to a treatment center. The teenager is to be evaluated every six months to determine if he should be released.

The judge last month found Brown delinquent, the juvenile court equivalent of a guilty verdict, in the February 2009 deaths of 26-year-old Kenzie Houk and her unborn son.

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