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Then you only have that whole Yellowstone Super Volcano to worry about ......

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Beats having to deal with hordes of rabid, looting idiots after the New Madrid faults decides to relieve some tension....or does it?

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Yellowstone Super Volcano is mankind's only hope, if it went of within the next few years(even with a little help).
The particulates would fail the world's crops and cool AGW. The subsequent starvation and winter(s)
would kill off people to a sustainable level. Tundra methane self release and open ocean warming
positive feedback loops would stop, and no future thermageddon and ELE.
Come on Yellowstone, blow!!! (or better yet, Kafla in Iceland which is due now!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

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We'd probably just built gigantic air filters that took put as much space as New Jersey.

You have some sort of chance with the numbers being spread out over time, but when a few cubic miles of the planet go airborne all at once .... welllllllll it really lowers the chances to where winning the lotto looks really good in comparison ..... twice ...... in a row .... with the same numbers.

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Northern Alaska's looking really good.

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It is supposed to warm up a bit there too .....

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Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

All problems of Industrial Society are unsolvable because Industrialization itself is the cause of problems.....Exponential increase in environmental destruction, incidence of cancer, obesity and war/ violence.......Industrialization is the cause of all these problems.

It is important to understand why millions of people are trying to solve all these problems when they can never be solved.

Here is the answer - Billions of people who are not producing food in Industrial Society have to be kept engaged in some work or activity....People would go crazy without work....Therefore unnecessary, meaningless, futile and destructive jobs and professions are created by Industrial Society to keep the Urban Population occupied.

In Hunter_Gatherer Society the entire population was engaged in searching for food.....In Agrarian Society almost the entire population was engaged in producing food [hardly 1 - 2% of population was not producing food].

In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for entire population.....The remaining 50% population is engaged in extra, destructive and unnecessary work....[In America only 5% of population is producing food, That is why America is the Mother of all unnecessary and destructive work in this world].

The population that does not produce food is engaged in Production and Marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex and All kinds of unnecessary research.

Millions of people are doing unnecessary, meaningless and futile research in Industrial Society in hundreds of fields.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are trying to save Environment which is not possible because Industrial Activity itself is the cause of large scale environmental destruction.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are trying to cure Obesity which is impossible because Obesity is a result of Industrialization.....A result of the switch over from physical work to mental work and easy availability of billions of tonnes of ready-made food.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are trying to cure Cancer which is not possible because Industrialization itself is the cause of cancer.....Industrial Activity has contaminated air, water and soil with billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous carcinogens.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are working with Peace Organizations trying to make the world peaceful.....This is an impossibility because Military Industrial Complex is promoting war and violence by producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.

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Hundreds of professions and millions of jobs have been created in the name of solving the problems of Industrial Society.

The solutions will of course never come because Industrialization itself is the cause of problems.

Millions of people are happy because they are getting jobs and salaries......Governments are happy because they can claim they are doing all they can to solve global problems.

Meanwhile the problems continue getting bigger and bigger day by day, moment by moment.

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Industrial Society has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.

Hunter_Gatherer Society was sustainable.....Agrarian Society was sustainable.....The question of Industrial Society being sustainable doesn't arise.

We cannot save environment by destroying more of it.....We cannot save environment by destroying it for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.


Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

"Hunter_Gatherer Society was sustainable.....Agrarian Society was sustainable.....The question of Industrial Society being sustainable doesn't arise."

Each had its own progressively lower population level. Sustainability means using the ecological systems and resources at the rates of regeneration, replenishment and absorption. Industrial society is near collapse, but unfortunately it won't happen until after tipping points for methane turnover are crossed in a few years. It is doubtful that humans will make it through their own ecocide.

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

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When there was still time to save environment a whole century was wasted in the futile debate over Capitalism, Socialism and Communism.

Trying to save environment after 250 years of relentless Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man.....There is hardly any environment left to save.

Industrial Activity destroys environment.....Where there is Industrial Activity there is environmental destruction.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism doesn't matter at all.

Monsanto is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Nuclear Power Plants are not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Mining Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Logging Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

Construction Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

Transportation Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Tar Sands and Hydraulic Fracking are not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

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This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society.

This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food.

You forgot industrial agriculture, sushi.
Even the sustainable level of hunter/gather type society is going down fast with pollution and depletion. Sustainable level of all forms of society is going down fast. Once low soil thresholds and aquifer depletion is reached, along with fisheries collapse, it will be much lower. Once human caused global warming goes beyond the natural tipping points of open ocean self warming and tundra methane self release, then oceanic methane self release; sustainable human population will eventually go to zero.
>>What started with fossil fueled industrialization, ends with Anthropocene Thermal Maximum, hundreds of years after the initial human population crash from the induced overpopulation caused by industrial agriculture and distribution.<<
Of course, >>part of it is humanity in general not understanding future consequences and inability to lower their reproduction in response to the new conditions of lower mortality. They failed to replenish the Earth, or use resources at the rates at which they were made. They failed to hold pollution of the biosphere to its absorption rates. They were too stupid to even understand sustainability, or the future effects of their industrialization. They failed to see that the overcrowding and massive increase in humanity was very bad.<<
>>Too few of us knew that something was very wrong and did anything about it, and too few could really do much about it. Originally, I though humans were smarter and would just naturally reduce their reproduction to sustainable level and slow down their use of resources and pollution to that which the biosphere could handle. I finally realized that people in general were stupid, greedy, selfish, and ignorant mammals. Just smart enough to destroy their own biosphere and most other species with it by their industrial greed, and lustful selfishness, without the moral ability to see ahead or care about the consequences of their actions on the future generations.<<
Industrial Society indeed destroys the environment, and the crowding and pollution from it destroys some minds. The minds were deficient enough in the first place with too much crowd tolerance and inability to see ahead or really understand nature on a global level. They were already too selfish, in general. >>The moral guidance they needed by wise spiritual leaders was insufficient to stop the industrialization once fossil fuels were discovered on a large scale. Their very nature, black, dirty and smelly, should have elicited a response of repulsion, and that their use would have evil consequences.<<
>>Even before that, they should have seen that crowds were bad, that over-using the soil was bad, along with other practices such as unburied fecal matter and defiling pure water.<< The early, primitive industrialization, should have had those who could foresee the consequences of the crowds they produced, and lowered their reproductive rate with wise guidance and use of the herbs and methods they knew. China and India were overpopulated a thousand years ago or more. Europe 500 years ago was overcrowded. Some places had become overcrowded and crashed in or near the Americas; the Mayans and the Easter Islanders. In North America there was a sustainable population already, living as hunter gatherers who understood their ecology on a primitive level, before horses were introduced by the Spanish Invasion of Catholics. >>Religions of over-reproduction replaced the ancient wisdom of the tribal wise men. All this before the massive use of fossil fuels and/or heavy industrialization.<< The greed overcame the repulsion of the dirty coal then oil. >>The greed overcame the creed of replenishing the Earth.<< Churches greedily wanted more people and money/power to expand. Most taught of over-compassion and over-tolerance, too. Eventually, all the warfare was not enough to stop the overpopulation Juggernaut and the industrial feeding of the masses while polluting the biosphere to death.
Here is part of it ruining my state; http://standard.net/stories/2012/12/10/ ... qus_thread

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

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When a mass shooter kills 20 American kids the world is outraged.

When millions of baby seals are clubbed to death the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of animals in Slaughter Houses the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of wild animals by destroying forests with Industrial Activity the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land with billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of acres of fertile soil that provides food to millions of species with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills ecosystems that are home to millions of species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

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Who is not a killer in Industrial Society?????

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.

Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.

Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Mass shooters are not the only insane people in this society.....The entire Industrial Society is insane.

The entire Industrial Society is insane, abnormal and criminal.

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Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society.

This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food.

An Industrial Society will always be cruel to millions of other species and to itself.

A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself.

After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not even exist.

Welfare of humans and millions of other species is only possible in a non-industrial society.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

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More than 99.99% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

Most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems have already been destroyed.

Species are not lost when they become extinct....Species are lost when they get decimated....Species were lost when their populations dropped from billions and millions before industrialization to thousands and hundreds after industrialization.

There are(were) millions of species in this world....Most of them have already been decimated because Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests....Millions of Plant and Animal species have been decimated by Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Ports and Airports..

If we calculate the decline in populations of millions of species after industrialization the combined loss will come to more than 99.9%.
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Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and killed by trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The entire planet has become a Toxic Dump.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.

Oceans have turned acidic and warmer and there are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans....Fish in the oceans have been decimated by Industrial Fishing.

Billions of acres of fertile soil that was the source of food to millions of species has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

More than 99.99% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself.

After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not exist...It is only a matter of a few years now.
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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

A hunter-gatherer society, if large enough, will kill off all animals and plants, then turn to cannibalism.
An agrarian society, if large enough, will use up all the soil and water, then also die off.
The real terrorism/crime is lust, greed, stupidity-ignorance, lack of thinking ahead of the consequences of ALL actions, and the resulting overpopulation/ecocide.

"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell" (Edward Abbey).

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein

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Five Elephants were run over by a train in the state of Orissa in India yesterday.

One of them was a female in advanced stage of pregnancy whose foetus came out as the train hit the mother.

The world will celebrate one more New Year's Eve today......After torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species this world will celebrate yet another New Year today.
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After destroying planet Earth.....After destroying most of the biodiversity and ecosystems, Industrial Society should be in Mourning but it wants to Celebrate instead.

It wants to Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals.

If Industrial Society had any shame there would have been no Celebrations in the past , no celebrations for the next thousands of years.....only Mourning.

Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species, destroyed Forests, poisoned Rivers, Oceans, Soil and Sky with Billions of Tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste.

Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

Celebrate!!!....Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals!!!!.....Go Shopping.....Spend Money.....Buy Gifts....Buy thousands of consumer goods and services.....Promote and Accelerate Industrial Activity which will kill even more Biodiversity and Ecosystems.

And then wait for next year to celebrate the death of nature once more.
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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

Jimi Hendrix;
"Oh uh,
I see fingers, hands and shades of faces,
Reachin up and not quite touchin the promised land,
I hear pleas and prayers and a desperate whisper sayin,
Oh Lord, please give us a helpin hand,
Yeah yeah
Way down in the background,
I can see frustrated souls of cities burnin,
And all across the water vapor,
I see weapons barkin out the sting of death,
And up in the clouds I can imagine UFO's jumpin themselves,
Laughin they sayin,
Those people so uptight, they sure know how to make a mess
Back in the saloon my tears mix and mildew with my drink,
I can't really tell my feet from the sawdust on the floor,
But as far as I know, they may even try to wrap me up in cellophane and try and sell me
Brothers sell me, and don't worry about lookin at the score
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah"

http://www.wunderground.com/climate/PETM.asp?MR=1

Industrial Society>>>AETM>>ELE

Sushi, you will really enjoy reading the many articles, graphs, videos and links at this site:
http://collapseofindustrialcivilization ... overshoot/

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein