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 Post subject: Paper versus digital
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:47 am 
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According to National Pollutant Release statistics, the pulp and paper industry ranks third as the largest industrial polluter in the United States and Canada, releasing well over 100 million kg of toxic material into air, land and water each year. Furthermore, the destruction of trees to produce paper products, including the paper used for printed materials such as books, has a huge negative impact on the environment by interfering with nature's atmospheric and land-based 'ecosystem' in ways that most people never think about. It has been estimated that only 33 percent of Americans own e-readers. As an author and an avid reader, I understand the 'thrill' of holding a book and reading a novel in print; but the positive environmental impact of transitioning entirely to digital cannot be ignored. As e-readers continue to go down in price, it should become easier to eliminate paper books entirely. For the sake of Mother Earth, I hope the publishing industry and the community of readers as a whole will eventually embrace a digital revolution, such that books in paper-printed format become (entirely) obsolete.

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:01 pm 
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SPAM! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: nice name :lol: :lol: =; :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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Johhny, He seems to be a genuine person concerned about environment.

The initials in the user name cjs312kaja refer to Charles J. Schneider.


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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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It's insulting that my serious post regarding pollution from the production of paper products and materials was considered SPAM. If I had known that a Username using initials and a long-time nickname would be considered 'suspicious' I guess I would have chosen something catchy like Electroglide.

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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Dear Mr. 'Electroglide':

It does not seem possible to change my user name now that it has been set (I have tried); but if I could, it would now read ConcernedAuthorMD.

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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Dear Moderator:

It does not seem possible to re-set my user ID (I have tried); but if I could, it would now read Concerned AuthorMD.

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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It took some checking, but I was able to change the user name for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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Concerned AuthorMD wrote:
It's insulting that my serious post regarding pollution from the production of paper products and materials was considered SPAM. If I had known that a Username using initials and a long-time nickname would be considered 'suspicious' I guess I would have chosen something catchy like Electroglide.
It is Electriglide for the way I play heavy electric guitar.
What is spam is this: "Author of A PORTRAIT IN TIME
http://charlesjschneider.com"
There is no doubt the paper industry is filthy and caused depletion of forests, along with the non-green building industry.
However, I look at what is the most important thing that can be done, and that is lower emissions 90% in 9 years or face methane turnover in 500 years.
It is TOO LATE to stop the mathematically certain mid century population crash. That is the root cause of all environmental problems and with greed and stupidity, why we are at this late point to prevent ours and most other species' extinction. Much more important at this point than pulp paper pollution.
Remember, unless everyone's computer is on solar like mine, and the ISP companies are emissions free, reading books on kindle or the computer screen is not very green after all.
In reality, not much is green with too many people over long term sustainable. Too late since the end of the last century to stop, but there is a small amount of time left to "maybe" stop thermageddon. Get your priorities straight, Mr. Schneider.

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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I think this is a very interesting and important issue. Look the office environment today and how much paper we are saving compared to 40 years ago. Progress is really happening but it certainly takes time - today the pace of recycling in the United States is increasing and we are taking the right measures to improve the situation: http://www.statista.com/topics/1275/rec ... ed-states/

Still, developing nations are one of the main problems - they need proper recycling programs. I have to say that even though tablets and e-readers may help the environment, I'm always going to miss the feel of a paper book in my hand. But I would gladly sacrifice that if it improved the environment.


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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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That is all well and good Philly, but what about the emissions reduction needed?
Paper versus digital is a side track of the extreme efforts needed to reduce power and industrial CO2,
transportation CO2, and slash and burn CO2 90% in 9 years, to prevent eventual thermageddon in a
very short time geologically. Ten times faster than PETM.
I guess some people just can't see the bigger and longer picture. #-o

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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Thank you Philly76 for recognizing that paper production, usage and 'waste' ie lack of recycling DOES contribute in a not-that-insignificant way to the environmental crisis. I truly believe that 'digital' will eventually become 'greener', but this won't happen until our nation's energy sources transition completely to environmentally-friendly platforms such as solar, wind, etc. We have the means; but our politicians and the money-hungry oil establishment are literally standing in the way. This country and the WORLD needs a revolution in thinking, or else Mr. Electroglide's Armageddon will surely come to pass: so in this regard, I think we are all in agreement.

As far as the population explosion goes, this is a real concern, and a very scary one. This ecosystem can't even sustain the current number of Homo Sapiens. Read Dan Brown's Inferno: an entertaining story, but it also really hits home in its explanation and discourse of the population crisis.

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Concerned AuthorMD wrote:
It's insulting that my serious post regarding pollution from the production of paper products and materials was considered SPAM. If I had known that a Username using initials and a long-time nickname would be considered 'suspicious' I guess I would have chosen something catchy like Electroglide.
It is Electriglide for the way I play heavy electric guitar.
What is spam is this: "Author of A PORTRAIT IN TIME
http://charlesjschneider.com"
There is no doubt the paper industry is filthy and caused depletion of forests, along with the non-green building industry.
However, I look at what is the most important thing that can be done, and that is lower emissions 90% in 9 years or face methane turnover in 500 years.
It is TOO LATE to stop the mathematically certain mid century population crash. That is the root cause of all environmental problems and with greed and stupidity, why we are at this late point to prevent ours and most other species' extinction. Much more important at this point than pulp paper pollution.
Remember, unless everyone's computer is on solar like mine, and the ISP companies are emissions free, reading books on kindle or the computer screen is not very green after all.
In reality, not much is green with too many people over long term sustainable. Too late since the end of the last century to stop, but there is a small amount of time left to "maybe" stop thermageddon. Get your priorities straight, Mr. Schneider.

Like I said, the population crash of the 2040s to 2070s is no longer stoppable. All the horrors of collapsing society, economies and governments, and wars, heavy crime, including cannibalism, will be experienced by anyone alive in that period.
The tipping point of methane turnover is being crossed since 2009 Arctic reports, and will be complete by 2023. Once THAT is crossed, the survivors will face increasing heat and rapid climate fluctuation until 2500 or so when most species will have died off and humans will have no more ecosystems to live off of, and will follow most other species in an ELE worse than the K-T Event.
Write another romance novel about that! #-o :mrgreen: }Your Amazon description indicated a sort of romance novel{
If you want to stick with fiction and a "techno thriller", maybe a "MacGuiver" type guy in the medieval or stone age types of future, or during the crash(es), or living underground for 200,000 years. Here is a group of ideas for you;
Can you hear the loud and not too distant hoof-beats of the approaching strong force? :shh: Not just the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse but a troop or more instead. Riding, riding..... guns, swords, spears, armor, knives, Mongol bows and sharp horse armor. First at a fast walk, then a trot, and faster toward a full on galloping charge. :shock: A mere troop of them stronger and more impervious than hundreds of times all the human soldiers, airmen, seamen, queer service "people" :evil: and idiotic commanders up high. :problem: :shock: :razz: :twisted:
Waiting too long and not doing enough will cause rapidly warming conditions from crossing first the tundra methane tipping point(1), then open ocean warming tipping point(2), then ocean CH4 deposits "turnover"(3), and oceanic and land self release of CO2(4).
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, in a way. Other ones for the population crash of mid-century include starvation from CAGW crop effects(5), malnutrition(6) and lowered immunity with more disease(7), aquifers and other sources of pure water either run dry(8) or polluted to poison(9). Add in human behavior under stress, and desperation; wars(10) and cannibalism(11), thievery(12) and viscous murder(13), anarchy and gangsterism(14), rape and pillage(15), poaching(16) and more human waste pollution(17). And the relentless growing heat with climate fluctuation and "change"(18) and increasing species extinctions(20). Ecosystem failures(21), and soil pollution/depletion (22). Plus we can not forget the loss and toxicity of the lakes, seas, and oceans fisheries(23), continued slash and burn and deforestation(24).
A troop of viscous unfeeling unmerciful immensely strong well armed cavalry. With more riding in and joining. The stench of death and destruction in their wake of passage across the regions and countries over a period of 20+ years of 400 million deaths per year. Horror beyond horror, suffering beyond suffering, misery beyond misery, even for eco-people that didn't cause much of it and many that caused none of it, punished just the same, but probably allowed everlasting life in the real Heaven.
A song that used to be for me, my nickname at Ft. Rucker in the late spring/summer/early fall of 1968. Eric Burdon and the New Animals; In the morning they (the survivors) returned with tears in their eyes. The stench of death was up to the skies. Sky Pilot. Sky Pilot. How high can you fly? " I reached the sky 5 thousand times, and even more bullets and other weaponry coming at my crew, ship, and I. Duplicating my heroes in the Flying Tigers of WWII, except saving 2,700 (of numerous races, civilians, soldiers, sailors, too, Babies to old people) instead of killing. =D> =D> =D> =D> But I am the bad guy to some, especially the business as usual types or people that care more about a few animals than millions of entire species of plants, animals and fungi. Over tolerant, over-compassionate ones who don't seem to know how to think in bigger terms or ahead in time. :razz:
The stench of death 2045 to 2075 and longer, then the stench of more death in the heat, as species accelerate in death to the last member by 2500AD or so. The stench of rotting garbage, the rotting oceans, the wild fires, and unwashed people, and untreated excrement, all on the way and existing now in many places. :cry:
"He's there to help them, all that he can. If it all was worth it only in time will it tell...... Sky Pilot, Sky Pilot....." Great guitar work and sounds. I have reached out and touched the face of God, my friend, father, with strength, guidance,....... and love, both ways. Gratitude from me. I hope that I have helped more than those I know, and either me or my spirit in the front lines battling those deadly evil horsemen and their henchmen and supporters. When I was young, I thought people, in all their highest life form on Earth glory, would never let anything like that happen. Meteors moved to not collide, birthrate and survival controlled to sustainable and a naturally evolving like before there were towns and mass agriculture. Before the black evil of coal and oil were ignored for greedy profit regardless of bad consequences down the road.:x :clap: \:D/ 8) :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Paper versus digital
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First of all, I don't write 'romance' novels; and second of all, I do in fact have some ideas for a techno-thriller novel that centers around these very same environmental concerns.

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Two days ago I saw a friend post on Facebook about how she hates e-readers and digital copies of books, and she wants her 5 year old daughter to experience "turning a page", etc. Needless to say, I commented on her post about the paper industry and the good points of e-readers. With my iPad, I have come across children's e-books that have a narrator read them to you with sound effects and moving pictures within the book. Also I pointed out the Kindle I have (dont use as much) is meant to look like the page of a book with the electric ink.

People as a whole need to get over the "I love the feel of a book!" thing. I have an uncle that is unmarried and in love with books.. He has so many on both floors of his house that the ceiling is sagging due to the books on the second floor!!

I could give him my kindle but he would not use it... *sigh*. With the newer generations hopefully this fear of change will subside and e-readers will be more widely used.


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Two days ago I saw a friend post on Facebook about how she hates e-readers and digital copies of books, and she wants her 5 year old daughter to experience "turning a page", etc. Needless to say, I commented on her post about the paper industry and the good points of e-readers. With my iPad, I have come across children's e-books that have a narrator read them to you with sound effects and moving pictures within the book. Also I pointed out the Kindle I have (dont use as much) is meant to look like the page of a book with the electric ink.

People as a whole need to get over the "I love the feel of a book!" thing. I have an uncle that is unmarried and in love with books.. He has so many on both floors of his house that the ceiling is sagging due to the books on the second floor!!

I could give him my kindle but he would not use it... *sigh*. With the newer generations hopefully this fear of change will subside and e-readers will be more widely used.


The problem is the stability issue. I have books which are older than I, my parents (if they were still living), or my grandparents (if they were still living) and they should be in the hands of my children when I am no longer living. The e-readers do not have that stability. The storage media is also potentially tranient as technology changes and the software is improved. The subtle losses between versions of software can result in the essential loss over time.

The e-reader requires batteries and energy to be added on a constant basis, while a book does not. One major glitch and the contents of an e-reader can be lost but books are not so easily lost or damaged.

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