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Another improperly set up USHCN site. Man must of hit a nerve. :mrgreen: And, thank you for reposting my information so the fence sitters can get another look at it. :clap: :clap: :clap:



Once again number 5 of the NOAA guideline is violated. 1 foot away from concrete and asphalt. In the picture that is a Stevenson Screen. That was what was used before the MMTS system was put into use. Same rules of set up still apply, and those rules were completely violated. :-$ A picture is worth a thousand words. Just wait until I unleash the other facet of computer simulations? That's when things get really interesting. :twisted:

Fence sitters those here can whine about this all they want. These station photographs have clearly violated guidelines set up by NOAA. No doubt about it. I have provided a link that establishs that FACT!!!

So, fence sitters what do you think will happen when you set up a temperature measuring station one foot away from asphalt? Concrete? AC exhaust ports? Parked cars? What will that do to the data set? Honest science?

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Fence sitters what you are witnessing is photographic evidence of scientific maleficence. And, I have just started.

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Looking at the location of Marysville, elevation 62' in the Sacramento Valley and Susanville, elevation 4258', some 150 miles to the northeast in the mountains, it makes me wonder why anyone thought the two would be comparable in temperature.

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Elevation has nothing to do with it. Its the trend exhibited from a properly set up site versus one that in not set up properly. Standard red herring tactic. The classic urban sprawl argument. Well, my last example could be viewed that way since it involved an old Stevenson screen and newer construction. How about this one from Fort Morgan, Colorado.



Clearly a newer MMTS unit placed in front of a building that is at least 50 years old. There is no way this building was built after this unit was installed. It was put there on purpose. This site violates 2, 4 and 5. And, has hot AC exhaust just three feet away. According to NOAA fence sitters. Please review the guidelines again.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/coop/standard.htm

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Now fence sitters. I have observed the quality of competition has fallen off lately. Obvious avenues of argument have been neglected here. Allow me to argue for the other side. This is really embarrassing for the opposition I know.

The ground based temperature data sets are adjusted to prevent bias scientists say. An equation to adjust data sets are employed to ensure precise data from each and every site. No matter where they are located. No matter their surrounding. No matter their set up. Everything is okay. We have these things under control. Remember the new green is really the old red. This is the same argument offered for satellite measurements mentioned before. You see satellites are calibrated for specific temperature readings. The thing is as the orbit decays that calibration falls out of accuracy. Everything in orbit falls into decay. Instead of admitting we just spent billions of dollars for nothing we have an “equation” that fixes everything.

So, an adjustment equation fixes every possible situation concerning a USHCN sites? To many variables. Not possible. They are lying for over 1000 sites. Not possible.

Glad to help out opposition. Please try to do better. Honestly you are beginning to bore me. [-X

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The first statement in the link to NOAA:

The COOP network has provided climate and weather data for over 100 years. Consistency of the measurements is an attribute of the network, and it has been maintained by rare and/or gradual change, and established standards for exposure, of instruments over the life of the network. In order to preserve the integrity of the network, NWS has established standards for equipment, siting, and exposure.

Notice the first point mention is rare or gradual change in the collection of data to ensure conststency.

The most recent guideline which replaced several previous standards has more information:

General. This appendix describes the requirements and standards for meteorological sensors used in the aviation and synoptic observing programs staffed or overseen by the NWS. The standards are for sensor resolution, accuracy, siting and exposure. If standards can not be met by equipment in place, the standards should be achieved as stations are changed, equipment is installed, programs are modified, or new stations are established.

Siting and Exposure of Meteorological Sensors. Standards will be followed as closely as possible to ensure uniformity of observations. Siting and exposure standards define and establish requirements. The implementation of these should be flexible to achieve a balance between meteorological representativeness, space availability, and cost effectiveness. The NWS will follow the guidelines documented in the Federal Standard for Siting Meteorological Sensors at Airports
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Perhaps reading this will get most on the track of reducing emissions 90% in 9 years;
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global- ... ivity.html

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