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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 1:49 pm 
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Alright folks. We have here a study. I have offered my suspicions about the lead author of one study not being a climate scientist. The second is a computer model and my thoughts on that is well publicized here. With two studies the Cultists here want you to believe the sky is falling. Bend to their will or we’re all going to die long, nasty, horrible deaths, etc.

Let me put the study of glaciation in perspective. How many glaciers does the Earth have? Roughly 160,000. Kieffer et al 2000, did their very best to at least look at as many as they could, and that was only 67,000 glaciers. That’s less than half of all known glaciers. The key thing to look at with glacier studies is mass value and time of mass value. Positive or negative growth over one year. Five years. Ten years. Or most valuable longer than ten years.

Braithwaite and Zhang, 2000 looked at a little more than 200 glaciers for only one year. Interesting snap shot in an infinitesimal amount of time in the life of an average glacier. How many glaciers have been studied for five years. Only 115. How many glacier have been studied using both summer and winter mass measurements. Only 79. How many have been studied for ten years. Only 42. Quotes from Braithwaite and Zhang concerning the lack of data,

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...one of the most important problems for mass-balance glaciology


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"sad fact that many glacierized regions of the world remain unsampled, or only poorly sampled.




The current glacier studies are pathetically incomplete. We don’t know squat. And, drawing a world wide conclusion from these studies suggest another political agenda is involved. Not science. This science is incomplete as I have demonstrated.

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 2:19 pm 
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"We don’t know squat." What a bunch of horse manure, as usual from the mouth of Milt.
The argument has been over for years among intelligent folks. Why not post where you have more freedom to lie, like in the open forum. :razz:

This is from February;
"I’m working at getting the word out to like-minded organizations and schools about an educational film I shot from 2009-2013 called Glacial Balance (glacialbalance.com) so wanted to ask for others' help in spreading the word about its availability. It is for sale for both educational and personal use. My goal is to make the film available to any, and every, school and teacher that feels it can be put to good use as part of their curriculum. To do that, I'm making the film available on a sliding scale basing pricing on a case by case basis, working with any school's budget. Any requests or inquiries can reach me at ethan@glacialbalance.com.

Glacial Balance is a country-by-country journey along the spine of the Andes, providing a narrative of climate change impacts on communities. At the same time we visit with an international array of scientists studying these glaciers while they still exist. Being a filmmaker, and not a scientist, my goal when approaching the subject was to communicate difficult scientific concepts in understandable language. However, I wanted to do this without relying on a narrator, but allow the locals and the scientists to narrate the story through edits of long-form interviews.

The film is also available to license for non-profit & for-profit screenings. Feel free to get in touch if you'd like more information or can suggest any outlets where I can reach more people who would be interested in exploring the subject matter.

Ethan Steinman
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“Few things are changing as fast on our home planet as the cryosphere–the frozen portion of the earth’s surface, which is melting quickly. And nowhere faster or with more grievous effect than along the Andes, as this piercing film makes clear!”
Bill McKibben - Author, Educator, Environmentalist

“Mountain glacier demise preludes the fate of the great ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica, if humanity does not come to its senses soon. Steinman’s film wakes us up to the danger by hearing directly from the ones suffering the consequences of society’s inaction.”
James Hansen - Fmr. Head, NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies;
Adjunct Professor, Columbia University Earth Institute

“See firsthand how changes in the annual patterns of glacier melt forces people to alter what they plant and the consequent diet they eat... as well as how these changes impact basic energy consumption in societies”
David Brock - National Science Teachers Association

“Climate change is happening. Glacial Balance challenges us to think ahead and start a dialogue as to what our communities worldwide need to do to adapt to it.”
Laura Ballou - DC New Movies Examiner"

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:42 pm 
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/09/u ... t-effects/

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AUSTIN, Texas — Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it’s being melted from below by geothermal heat, researchers at the Institute for Geophysics at The University of Texas at Austin (UTIG) report in the current edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The findings significantly change the understanding of conditions beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet where accurate information has previously been unobtainable.


As usual those with the preconceived notion jump to that default position. This is rather embarrassing. In this case the truth is something else entirely. :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:58 pm 
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Recycling to add additional information.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/09/u ... t-effects/

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AUSTIN, Texas — Thwaites Glacier, the large, rapidly changing outlet of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is not only being eroded by the ocean, it’s being melted from below by geothermal heat, researchers at the Institute for Geophysics at The University of Texas at Austin (UTIG) report in the current edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The findings significantly change the understanding of conditions beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet where accurate information has previously been unobtainable.


As usual those with the preconceived notion jump to that default position. This is rather embarrassing. In this case the truth is something else entirely. :lol:


Something else entirely? Not really.


Until now, scientists had been unable to measure the strength or location of heat flow under the glacier. Current ice sheet models have assumed that heat flow under the glacier is uniform like a pancake griddle with even heat distribution across the bottom of the ice.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:58 pm 
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Meltwater Pulse 2B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71l9lzLsBRc
Well, rising, acidified, warming to clathrate cannons, over the ruins of coastal cities, full of trash and toxins.
GTEE...........

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:17 pm 
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"Five pieces of ice news revealing earth’s ice cover is in serious decline;
1. Antarctic ice melt is twice as fast as ten years ago
2. West Antarctic glaciers are collapsing, and it's "unstoppable"
3. The Greenland ice sheet could melt faster than scientists first thought(probably will---a lot faster)
4. Other ice caps and glaciers in the northern hemisphere are melting faster too
5. Soot from forest fires contributed to unusually large Greenland surface melt in 2012

Finally, a new study published today explores the reasons for why an unusually large amount of the surface of the Greenland ice sheet melted in 2012. This exceptional summer saw more than 97 percent melt away, far more than the next biggest event almost a century before in 1889."
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http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2014/05 ... 8.facebook

Of course, we had CoSpgs burn again in '13, and this year has many fires in CA, Alaska, Oak Creek Canyon in AZ, and Siberia, so far.......

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Coastal cities in a rising ocean;
Climate change could flood your streets with doo-doo and toxic waste

By John Upton
"Rising seas and ferocious storms linked to global warming won’t just bring water to our doorsteps. In some cities, it will deliver a witches’ brew of sewage from low-lying drains and toxic waste from Superfund sites and industrial areas.

That’s because when seas rise, they don’t just top over shorelines. They can burble up through waterfront infrastructure like sewage systems."

People will cut and run to the hills :crazy: :shock: :crazy: :shock: :twisted: :shock: 8) =; :mrgreen:

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