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Haven't been here in a while. I'll just leave this here. Not exactly an animal concern, but...

http://www.businessinsider.com/plants-k ... en-2014-10

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TANG SOO!

Over a year, and we get inundated with vegans who have that disgusting holier than thou attitude all the time, saying they don't want to kill anything, yet most eat plants with no concern for the plant life or feelings. They think that all they have to do to be green is be vegan, instead of getting off their dead asses and building Earthship greenhouses with the love and understanding of soil and plant life. They tend to have too many kids quite often and excusing it with being vegan is less impact. Sure a little, but not 50%. Then one kid ruins the footprint.

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And they can communicate with other plants too!
As for the whole "this discredits veganism" argument, not sure it holds up... Plants still don't have a central nervous system that can sense "pain" in the same way a pig or cow does. If your goal is to reduce suffering then eating plants is still your best bet.

Oh please. The world leaves nothing but make cruel things...

The main thing is that each choice should be respected. Whether a person is a vegan, or they eat meat, plants, whatever. I witnessed a situation when a guy was condemned about eating some chicken or fish, and it was too loud, too vulgar, and just too much in respect of how a person can treat another human being.

I have nothing against vegans or omnivores who call themselves vegetarians * unless they tell me that my omnivorous habits are wrong.

• I have the teeth of an omnivore
• I have the digestive enzymes of an omnivore
• I have a need for 7 nutrients no plant can give me
• I have the digestive system of an omnivore (cows eat cud, horses have miles long intestines and other animals get nutrition from their feces and rabbits eat their feces to pass them through again - all this to digest cellulose)

* lacto-ovo and others are not really vegetarians, but omnivores. What vegetables do eggs, cheese and milk come from? Then we get those who add fish and say they are vegetarians.

I have three vegan friends who are not crusaders. When we go out to eat, we simply find a place that caters to our diverse eating habits. We have a few favorites.

Bob

Even the most adamant vegans are omnivores. What one chooses to eat doesn't change their biology ;)

https://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

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TANG SOO!

This is true but they choose to eat a herbivorous diet - or at least as close as possible.

Bob

Do vegetables have feelings when a kitchen knife slice them? Do wheat feel hurt when in a grinding machine? veg have lives. Vegans are picky toward plants and fruit, and they also eat plant seed, Are seed not lives?

https://www.consciouslifestylemag.com/d ... 8Y3CGeS9Cs
"Beyond that, the great spiritual traditions have been telling us for quite some time “as above, so below,” which researchers and quantum physicists are increasingly finding to be true. From that perspective, insects most definitely have feelings and emotional intelligence—as well as plants, animals and everything in between. Either way, one thing is for sure, insects, with feelings or not, are integral to all life on this planet and deserve our care and respect just like any other sentient being."

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"With every decision, think seven generations ahead of the consequences of your actions" Ute rule of life.
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children”― Chief Seattle
“Those Who Have the Privilege to Know Have the Duty to Act”…Albert Einstein